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Set Advice for 2P
04-13-2007, 07:47 AM (This post was last modified: 04-13-2007 08:00 AM by FJohnson.)
Post: #1
Set Advice for 2P
Stats: Wocky

Lvl=55
Str=89
Def=88
HP=94

Current set:

Amulet of Inevitable Betrayal
Golden Compass
Downsize!
Greater Healing Scroll
Black Frost Cannon
Ramtors Spellbook
Fungus Ray
Honey Potion

Budget 500K to spend on weapons (very limited, I know).

Question, I have never done 2P before and I am about to be in a guild war, how is my current set, and if any what changes would you guys make if it were you.
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04-13-2007, 09:30 AM (This post was last modified: 04-13-2007 04:50 PM by WiltChamberlain13.)
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RE: Set Advice for 2P
BLEAURGH!  Black Frost Cannon...

It's 25% freezing rate allows it to make you lose the battle before successfully freezing.  Therefore, I would suggest you to forget about freezing totally unless it's some really important battle.  Most guild wars won't allow freezing anyway.  I suggest a Leaf Shield to replace Black Frost Cannon.  That way, you can block more icons.

Nothing much I can see, apart from "upgrading" Fungus Ray to Bzzt Blaster.  Fungus Ray, Bzzt Blaster, Garoo Elite Blaster and Goo Blaster are all so similar, so we can take a closer look.

Fungus Ray - WaterWaterWaterWaterWaterDarknessDarknessDarknessEarthEarthEarth
Bzzt Blaster - WaterWaterWaterAirAirAirLightLightLightLightLight
Garoo Elite Blaster - FireFireFireFireFireEarthEarthEarthPhysicalPhysicalPhysical
Goo Blaster - WaterWaterWaterWaterWaterEarthEarthEarthPhysicalPhysicalPhysical

You'll most likely face Leaf Shield and Patched Magic Hat out there, so let's compare it with your Ramtors Spellbook.

Against Leaf Shield:

Fungus Ray + Ramtors Spellbook = Water_defWater_defWater_defWater_defWater_defDarknessDarknessDarknessDarknessDarknessDarknessDarknessDarknessEarth DefenseEarth DefenseEarth DefenseLightLightLightLightLight = 13 icons

Bzzt Blaster + Ramtors Spellbook = Water_defWater_defWater_defAirAirAirLightLightLightLightLightLightLightLightLightLightDarknessDarknessDarknessDarknessDarkness = 18 icons

Garoo Elite Blaster + Ramtors Spellbook = FireFireFireFireFireEarth DefenseEarth DefenseEarth DefensePhysical_defPhysical_defPhysical_defLightLightLightLightLightDarknessDarknessDarknessDarknessDarkness = 15 icons

Goo Blaster + Ramtors Spellbook = Water_defWater_defWater_defWater_defWater_defEarth DefenseEarth DefenseEarth DefensePhysical_defPhysical_defPhysical_defLightLightLightLightLightDarknessDarknessDarknessDarknessDarkness = 10 icons

Against Patched Magic Hat:

Fungus Ray + Ramtors Spellbook = WaterWaterWaterWaterWaterDarknessDarknessDarknessDarknessDarknessDarknessDarknessDarknessEarth DefenseEarth DefenseEarth DefenseLight DefenseLight DefenseLight DefenseLightLight = 15 icons

Bzzt Blaster + Ramtors Spellbook = WaterWaterWaterAirAirAirLight DefenseLight DefenseLight DefenseLightLightLightLightLightLightLightDarknessDarknessDarknessDarknessDarkness = 18 icons

Garoo Elite Blaster + Ramtors Spellbook = FireFireFireFireFireEarth DefenseEarth DefenseEarth DefensePhysical_defPhysical_defPhysical_defLight DefenseLight DefenseLight DefenseLightLightDarknessDarknessDarknessDarknessDarkness = 12 icons

Goo Blaster + Ramtors Spellbook = WaterWaterWaterWaterWaterEarth DefenseEarth DefenseEarth DefensePhysical_defPhysical_defPhysical_defLight DefenseLight DefenseLight DefenseLightLightDarknessDarknessDarknessDarknessDarkness = 12 icons

So as you can see, the Bzzt Blaster works best against both the shields.  I suggest your new set should be:

Downsize!
Greater Healing Scroll
Leaf Shield
Honey Potion
Amulet of Inevitable Betrayal
Golden Compass
Ramtors Spellbook
Bzzt Blaster

I'm not a fan of non-100% freezers or dual-duties.
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04-13-2007, 11:28 AM (This post was last modified: 04-13-2007 11:30 AM by CadaverGrey.)
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RE: Set Advice for 2P
WiltChamberlain13 Wrote:So as you can see, the Bzzt Blaster works best against both the shields.  I suggest your new set should be:

Downsize!
Greater Healing Scroll
Patched Magic Hat
Honey Potion
Amulet of Inevitable Betrayal
Golden Compass
Ramtors Spellbook
Bzzt Blaster

You first suggested Leaf Shield but in your suggested set you had Patched Magic Hat.

It's ok to overload on icons in attack but not a good idea to overload defence on one icon. Patched Magic Hat and Amulet of Inevitable Betrayal will give you 6 icons of light defence, but no water defence, which is useful when you are facing weapons like Pike Pike and Essence of Esophagor.

Even though I won't say "BLEAURGH!" to the Black Frost Cannon, in your case, I would just set it aside for your upcoming guild war. It's more useful in 1-player scenario. IF your guild allows for freezing (which I highly doubt), Scroll of Freezing will be your only option with the kind of budget that you have. Otherwise, just train your pet to the max number of HP that you can possibly go.

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04-13-2007, 01:31 PM
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RE: Set Advice for 2P
FJohnson Wrote:Question, I have never done 2P before and I am about to be in a guild war, how is my current set, and if any what changes would you guys make if it were you.

Your set is fine for your budget and probably adequate for your stats.

Personally, I think that while risky the Black Frost Cannon is actually the strongest weapon in your setas it gives you a ~20% chance of landing an extra ~38.5 icon unblocked hit on your opponent, which is on average worth 7.689 icons on top of the 3.75 icons of guaranteed damage, for an average effectiveness of 11.44 icons. The problem is that the variability is so high and you will come out worse in any fight where it does not freeze.

The other problem is that as this is a guild war, you will likely be fighting against at least a few some who have massively better sets (probably up to about 100 million), and you really can't deal with sets of that level on your current budget. If the tourney does not restrict freezing in some way, you're just going to lose 4 out of every 5 of your fights on round 2, as you are not even close to the HP you need to survive the damage you'll take from a freezebombing (probably up to around 160 points). The unfortuneate truth is that battlers with 100% freezers get to play a different game than those without.

As to the rest of your set, the only practical advice I have is getting some cheap utility weapons to rotate in if and only if you will be fighting each opponent more than once. Since you have even defense a lot of the cheap defensive options can be very good if you know your opponent has certain weapons (which you will after the first match). Leaf Shield is worth using against someone with Essence of Esophagor or Goo Blaster and also cuts many snowballs significantly, Scarab Ring is worth using against Tyrannian Lupe Tooth, Royal Wedding Ring, Sword of Apocalypse and Garoo Elite Blaster, Thief Dagger is worth using against Golden Compass, Scuzzys Comb, and PFF. Mystical White Cloak totally shuts down the attack of Air Faerie Crown
Patched Magic Hat is worth using against Hobans Hat. Against opponents with much better offensive weapons, Downsize! can be worthwhile, as can Thick Smoke Bomb (if this tourney allows single use items).

One last thing; you're currently very weak against the defensive combo of Air Faerie Crown + Mask of Coltzan, which while somewhat above your budget, is fairly common. You should probably consider an Ice Club as an alternate backup constant in case you see it. Ice Club + Mystical White Cloak will win against MoC + AfC

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04-13-2007, 02:51 PM
Post: #5
RE: Set Advice for 2P
most wannabe guild wars will not allow freezing..

real guilds, in real guild wars, or more sizable, and more mainstream guilds, or those participating in idb and ncw events allow league rules to prevail, and adapt to those league rules.

those guilds that eschew freezing have missed a very fun and very critical part of battling.

that's my opinion.
04-13-2007, 04:49 PM
Post: #6
RE: Set Advice for 2P
Oops, thanks to CadaverGrey for noticing my mistake. It was almost 1 o'clock in the morning when I typed that up, so yeah, I was a bit sleepy.

I'm not a fan of non-100% freezers or dual-duties.
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