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nates1984 · 03-30-2007, 12:27 AM

I R INDECISIVE!

Pretend it didn't have the INT or MOV requirements, would you buy it for 3 million?

I'm about ready to peak in the 3 codestone range, so I'm considering this now. I'll have plenty of time to think about it though, since I've cut my training speed to save for an SoS quicker. HRoT is the only acceptable stealing weapon to use in my opinion. =X

Also, how long has it been out? Has it been upgraded or downgraded at all? Has there been a rarity increase or decrease? I need to know how stable it is.

Biggest question, why is it so damn cheap?

theonlysaneone · (This post was last modified: 03-30-2007 12:39 AM by theonlysaneone.)

Personally, I wouldn't pay 3 million from it. However, if you just let your movement gradually and inevitably increase from the lab ray and kitchen quests, then you're not really paying that much for it. Even getting your intelligence to 100 can be done with about 50K. In other words, I wouldn't specifically train Movement just to use this weapon, but once my movement hits 200 from other sources, I'm definitely buying it.

EDIT: Forgive my atrocious grammar, I'm up at 2 in the morning with school tomorrow, I have Pepsi and track meet-induced insomnia, and I can't wear my contacts because I have pinkeye Smile

Dead_water · 03-30-2007, 05:02 PM

lol @ theonlysaneone

I'd get it for 3 mil, most definetly. Expeciallly if I had the stats for it. If I didn't have the stats, I'd probably train my stats to the requirements and get it! Stealing can be really good, expecially if it's a 100% steal and expecially if your opponent can't steal back with it

betaboy2 · (This post was last modified: 03-30-2007 09:57 PM by betaboy2.)

Quote:Pretend it didn't have the INT or MOV requirements, would you buy it for 3 million?

Maybe I am missing something here...since when did the Heavy Robe of Thievery start going for 3 mill? I bought one yesterday for 280K I think.

Did you mean Heavy Blue Tunic or are you saying the Heavy Robe SHOULD be selling for 3 mill?

theonlysaneone · 03-30-2007, 11:07 PM

betaboy2 Wrote:
Quote:Pretend it didn't have the INT or MOV requirements, would you buy it for 3 million?

Maybe I am missing something here...since when did the Heavy Robe of Thievery start going for 3 mill? I bought one yesterday for 280K I think.

Did you mean Heavy Blue Tunic or are you saying the Heavy Robe SHOULD be selling for 3 mill?

It's just a hypothetical situation. Since it would cost at least that much to train Movement that high from scratch, it should be worth that much to you anyway. My suggestion is to just let your Movement naturally increase with the rest of your stats, and when it gets high enough (and it will), buy the Robe.

Shattered Rift · 03-30-2007, 11:14 PM

I had to train something around 20 Speed before I bought it (at a 51K per stat average cost, so mine cost me just shy of a mil and a half, I think).

For One Player maxing out (which is what I've been using mine for), it halves the time it takes. Problem is, even if we ever see a War again, stealing will be disabled. Which leaves Two Player viability.

Comparing the SoS and the HRoT in Two Player, the Robe is better simply because SoS gets blocked by everything.

Stealing has always been a debatable asset in Two Player. People can control the weapon in their first slot, guaranteeing that you steal something "bad" from them, but most people don't run an eighth "worthless" weapon in their set. Problem is, I really don't know what the average person is running and allowing to be stolen. Played with a dual-duty set, HRoT might be very situationally helpful. On the other hand, it might be a half-wasted turn.

As far as its release and rarity, I'm fairly certain they've been this way since its release.

I suggest you put your money towards something else.

(On a final note, you need 101 Intelligence and 201 Speed to use it. Pissed me off like heck when I hit 200 Speed and couldn't use it yet because the number 200 was ingrained into my mind.)

betaboy2 · 03-31-2007, 09:32 AM

theonlysaneone Wrote:
betaboy2 Wrote:
Quote:Pretend it didn't have the INT or MOV requirements, would you buy it for 3 million?

Maybe I am missing something here...since when did the Heavy Robe of Thievery start going for 3 mill? I bought one yesterday for 280K I think.

Did you mean Heavy Blue Tunic or are you saying the Heavy Robe SHOULD be selling for 3 mill?

It's just a hypothetical situation. Since it would cost at least that much to train Movement that high from scratch, it should be worth that much to you anyway. My suggestion is to just let your Movement naturally increase with the rest of your stats, and when it gets high enough (and it will), buy the Robe.

Ahhhhh...I see said the blind man to his deaf son. Thanks

nates1984 · 04-01-2007, 10:15 PM

KQuests and Lab aren't an option, I run four pets, and they're all painted. My ultimate goal isn't to hit the 700 boosts and have 1000+ HP. If I ever max out on the training school I'll consider Shangrali an astounding success. My other three pets will sit at the 35/55/85 boosts, possibly going up to 55/85/125 if I ever find myself completely content with Shangrali's BD set (yeah right). 35/55/85 boost pets can be completed both training and equipment wise in a relatively short amount of time. Reaching for the stars is great, but I need attainable goals to keep me interested in a game.

Regardless, that's all really off-topic.

While I originally asked specifically about the HRoT, I'm going to turn this into a general question.

With the appearance of items that depend on movement in one way, shape, or form, would it be intelligent to cap my movement now while I'm still (barely) in the three codestone range?

I haven't been around Neo in the last three years, so I really don't have a feel for how recent these items have appeared and how aggressively TNT has appeared to push items of this nature.

On the topic of the SoS, it's a great stepping stone to a PCC. Plus it's adequate enough to sit as my main offensive weapon until I flesh out a couple other slots, specifically Leaf -> BoD and AFC -> PCH. After that it's an easy HP -> Gbomb and RotL -> GShield when they're the same price, which will happen, hopefully before LEV dips below 20 million and I start saving for it.

Hell I might forget the GBomb and just run a PCC/SoS/MoC offensive set, with a GShield and PCH backing them up I don't think I'd ever rely on the GBomb. =P

Nightwind · 04-01-2007, 11:28 PM

I always dig out the old chestnut about how the more speed you had the more sand you could move in the LDP
usualy the reply to that is that the best item from sand was a paint brush and thus of little bearing in the battledome

Shattered Rift · 04-01-2007, 11:44 PM

nates1984 Wrote:With the appearance of items that depend on movement in one way, shape, or form, would it be intelligent to cap my movement now while I'm still (barely) in the three codestone range?

I haven't been around Neo in the last three years, so I really don't have a feel for how recent these items have appeared and how aggressively TNT has appeared to push items of this nature.

Given your situation, yes. I can't recall the exact release dates on any of these, and I don't have an accurate grounds to base any speculation for future Speed/Intelligence-based weapons on, but if something comes out down the road, you may end up wanting it, and I know I enjoy the convenience of the Heavy Robe of Thievery.

Another thought: map out a training plan (time and cost, though it seems you've already calculated the cost) of getting your Speed up. Now run another calculation factoring only the other stats. See which one seems better to you overall.

One final thought: Pirate Captains Hat is a Two Player toy. It won't last to max out in One Player.

nates1984 · 04-02-2007, 12:30 AM

Meh, training costs are a non-issue currency wise, it's all about time. I can pretty easily make enough NP in an hour or two to throw Shangrali through two+ courses a day, although I'm never around long enough to do more then one unless I'm sitting on a work project or it's my day off and my social life is dull. Building up to an SoS is the only major jump I need to make NP wise in the near future, a couple mil here and there are easy even after you pile on training costs.

PCH is one hell of a two player toy indeed, but I'm not into the one player stuff too much so I'll take your word on it. Regardless, it's a great investment, it'll soar when it retires for one reason: Peas.