Need Help Tweaking Set

[Dead_water]

Stats:

64 Hp
55 Str and Def Boosts
Intel and Movement too low to matter

Set:

GHS
D!
Scarab Ring
Golden Compass
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Amulet of Inevitable Betrayal (~97k)
Frozen Wand of Crystals (~105k)
Essence of Esophagor (~125k)
Psellias Fighting Fan (~100k)

Budget: My weapons, and maybe 20k...

Ok, so here's the deal. I got this set recently, and have battled some with it to test it out. The stuff above the line I'm not gunna mess with (gunna keep) unless someone has a very convincing argument. I've only ever used the FWoC once, and I don't think i will much in the future. The Amulet is ok, but it still only comes out even against the NQ2 weps. The EoE is awesome as a "change up" but may be easily replaced by a Stone Club. The Fan is ok, but just that.

I was thinking maybe of selling the last 4 weapons and getting a Scuzzys Comb (~250k I figure) and a Stone Club (~90k). That way I could compete with the 10 iconers. That would leave me with 2 other slots left though, preferably one for an attacker and I dunno what for the other slot.

Reguardless of what gets done, something needs done with the last 4 weapons, the only one I would consider keeping in my set would be the EoE. Maybe some other weapons with different icons would do me well... I don't know. I'm not against an 8 or even 7 iconer, if they gave me different icons than what i'm doing now. I'm still not totally convinced on a Sword of the Dead yet either, and if I get it, the Comb and the Club, that leaves me with very minimul cash and an empty slot

In short, help. Please

EDIT: I forgot to mention I do 2 Player only and don't want to train at this moment, just straighten out my set

[Shattered Rift]

Ethereal Sword is about one less icon than Sword of the Dead, but the Air isn't going to be blocked except by Burrow. (Or Winged Scarab, but I don't think those are running around in Two Player often enough for it to be a huge problem. You'd be a better judge of that than I would.) Whereas Sword of the Dead is likely going to have its Dark knocked by Golden Compass. The cost issue will come up again with it, too, however.


Keep in mind that Scuzzys Comb is Light-heavy, and Light can be dealt with relatively easily. The Physical can get knicked nicely by Scarab Ring. On the other hand, it's a ten-iconer. This is really what you're going to have to reconsider when it comes to the Ethereal Sword decision. The real question: how likely do you think it is to be blocked versus how likely do you expect the Ethereal Sword to block?


I'm starting to see why Stone Club is considered so often. It probably would be a good bet, and fare better than your Essence of Esophagor.

[Dead_water]

Shattered Rift Wrote:Ethereal Sword is about one less icon than Sword of the Dead, but the Air isn't going to be blocked except by Burrow. (Or Winged Scarab, but I don't think those are running around in Two Player often enough for it to be a huge problem. You'd be a better judge of that than I would.) Whereas Sword of the Dead is likely going to have its Dark knocked by Golden Compass. The cost issue will come up again with it, too, however.

That's interesting, but you got me to thinking. Other than in a situation of draw or win (me gunna possibly win) I think it might be better for me to have an Ancient Eyrie Battle Mask, which is like an Ethereal Sword (I didn't mention I was an eyrie, didn't think it would make a difference, lol). It does a little more, defends a little less though. The only thing I'm concerned with when using these weapons is with the ESword I lose .35 icons to a SC or RSB and with a AEBM I loose 1 icon. With the SotD I gain .65 icons, and with the AoIB I'm even. Problem is the SotD and AoIB have icons that are easier to defend than air... I'm still stuck. Lol. The AEBM is the cheapest though....

[Shattered Rift]

Give the Ancient Eyrie Battle Mask a try. I assumed you were labbing and that it didn't matter anyway.


Look at it this way: how often do you expect for one of the weapons to get blocked while you're attacking? Assuming your Opponent is running no defensive capabilities besides Burrow, Sink, and Downsize! (the Amulet getting screwed by the first two either way), yes, it's better. However, you have to factor in your expectations of what icons your Opponent will be blocking, and then run your assumptions. The Amulet may potentially be best, but if it's getting blocked left and right it's not proving itself as the best.

As far as immediately debunking the Amulet, I'm going to point out the commonality of Golden Compass. It's going to kill the Amulet's Dark, knocking it to a five-iconer with three Light Defense, for a collective potential of eight.

[Dead_water]

Ok, that makes sense now. Before I was trying to use dual duitys as much as a I could. Ex: If they used P's Fighting Fan, I'd use Amulet to pick up some easy icons. I was trying to figure out a way to do that against NQ2 weapons. But I understand what you are saying now: Stick to my 9 iconers if they are working ok, and if they block one of my weapons, switch to a weapon that blocks one of thiers. Ooooo.... Interesting....

BTW: I wasn't labbing, haven't ever labbed, and don't have the lab, lol. He's been an eyrie since the beginning, specifically picked for the ancient eyrie battle mask (back when NQ2 weapons were first coming out or so) and the specie ablilities.

Ok, so my new thought is get a Comb and Ancient Eyrie Battle Mask. That costs about 325k, leaving me with about 120k for 2 weapons. Unless someone else has a good reason why not to, I think I will put those 2 weapons into my set.

For under 120k for 2 weapons, I can't think of many good options. I know there's the clubs... maybe some situational 6-8 icon dual duitys would work or something.

[Shattered Rift]

Dead_water Wrote:Ok, that makes sense now. Before I was trying to use dual duitys as much as a I could. Ex: If they used P's Fighting Fan, I'd use Amulet to pick up some easy icons. I was trying to figure out a way to do that against NQ2 weapons. But I understand what you are saying now: Stick to my 9 iconers if they are working ok, and if they block one of my weapons, switch to a weapon that blocks one of thiers. Ooooo.... Interesting....

Don't just stick to your nine-iconers: pay attention to what weapons they use (heck, take the time to write them down, though sharing them with others is likely to get them ticked at you), and if you can gain more "net" icons (total dealt and blocked) than you could deal with a nine-iconer, start predicting their use of the weapon you can knock on with your dual-duties.

[Dead_water]

Shattered Rift Wrote:Don't just stick to your nine-iconers: pay attention to what weapons they use (heck, take the time to write them down, though sharing them with others is likely to get them ticked at you), and if you can gain more "net" icons (total dealt and blocked) than you could deal with a nine-iconer, start predicting their use of the weapon you can knock on with your dual-duties.

Right, but I was trying to get a dual duity solution to everything. Sort of a radical version of the approach you just listed, lol. The probelm I'm seeing is that most dual duitys are 6 iconers that defend 3 icons (9 net icons) making them pretty much useless in my set. That or the better ones (more than 6 icons or more than one set of icons in defense) defend dark, making them not useful in my set because of my compass. I guess Thief Dagger is also a consideration for the AEBM slot.

Ok, I think this is what I wanna get:

Comb
Stone Club
Ice Club
Thief Dagger

That way, I can do 10 icons, have 2 nine iconers for backup (compass is other main weapon), and have Thief dagger to block light when it gets down to a win or draw situation and also to use against a Comb/SoRF (should average 5 icons I figure, so I'd win out by 1 icon)

If someone else has a better idea let me know

I'm also selling the 4 weapons on neos right now if anyone is interested.