New cove item!

[Benladesh]

A new item popped up in the cove.
155 dubloons for a 24 icon weapon. If you can get your hands on one while they are still restocking at the cove, make sure you jump on this opportunity!

Grapes of Wrath 600,000,000 NP Multiple Use
	Attack Defence
These grapes are VERY angry.

[Nightwind]

That's just BEAUTIFUL, i LOVE it....

something else I will NEVER get, but ... wow.

[Benladesh]

Yeah, It's really nice but being a cove item, very overpriced.

Been trying to snag one but no luck yet

[thesovereign]

Are you kidding me? This is completely underpriced, especially yesterday when it was only 300mil.

TNT messed up on this one...

[SeriousGlaze]

Wow! The new Attack Pea!

>_> I agree with Benladesh and VermontHermit though, this is so overpriced... peas are better than grapes!!!

[Ubemaya]

overpriced currently, shud die down a bit, 250 -300mill is actually what i think it would cost

[devilboy197]

You guys can't be serious
This wep is BETTER than the attack pea;
What's more, this pretty much BEATS the sap against pch, where the latter is blocked completely.
Against Uds, it is again BETTER than sap, since with sap you would deal 13 and receive 15,
and with the grape you receive 11.25 and deal 13.75.
According to these stats this might actually be better against earth blockers/reflectors than the sap? yeah it sure is o_o
No way you can go wrong with this, especially with no downgrades in sight. This will continue to be worth it to buy even at 1 bill, and with more are in circulation demand will be high. Eventually however it will inflate just like the peas into billions.
The exciting part is we are actually here to see it at a "relatively" affordable price.

[devilboy197]

You are right, this will ultimately be a case of 'the rich get richer' since the people who actually cove them, and are not super rich, will sell, but the super rich buyers will profit from the trade.
However I'm pretty sure that all neopians, aware of the cove's stocking and existence, are able to afford the 155 dubloons required, nearly all of those in the battling community at least. Being able to purchase a GoW is a different story of course.
Still, in relation to the prices of weapons comparable to this one; we cannot deny that this one is worth if you are able to afford one.

[mathbits]

Making np is too easy in this world. But there are just people that aren't so good at it, or don't have access to these methods (RS, etc).

My main source of income comes from the Stock Market, and even then, I've been investing nearly everyday for two years, I've gained profits of around 4mil within this time. I would never think of being able to afford these items in np, and the people who get these cove items are the ones that already have the skill to RS and snag items from shops.

Then again, I guess we can all say that it's an effort by TNT to normalize, but it's just not enough.

[devilboy197]

You make a strong point, that many people are simply buying, because there's been no new weapons in that price range; but I was looking at the grapes from the view of the current prices of other high end weapons. Not saying it's fair that those weapons are as expensive and inaccessible as they are, and maybe they really are not worth their value at some prices, but that is the reality right now and therefore that should be the basis on the way the grapes are valued.
Right off my notes in my 1st year economics class, this issue is an example of the trade-off between efficiency and equity - (economists generally disregard equity... maybe TNT have something in common with them).
If it was actually released in the tower, the effect on high-level bd would have been immense. At 250m, slightly above the i-staff price, this would've been affordable to many battlers that are stuck in the gap between g-swords/ istaffs and insanely rare weapons like the peas. It would've probably driven down the price of the uber weapons as well, so I think releasing such a weapon in the Hidden tower would've been much better than handing it out to 100 people randomly. Sure a few 'average' neopians might snag one, but that wouldn't really change much. Besides if you are indeed aware of the cove restocking, you are probably not an 'average' neopian, you would either be a battler, that frequents the bdc, or otherwise experienced neopian, which would usually mean you're well-off to start, which explains why at least half of the grapes went to people in the bdc that are far from 'average' neopians.

[ureadyforacold1]

(11-16-2009 08:05 PM)VermontHermit Wrote:  The Grapes are a FINE multi-use pure attacker, but generally a full-healer and a 100% freezer (or a multi-freezer) are more important battleslots. And the Grapes are one of a number of FINE (though rare and expensive pure attackers), and there are some even more interesting combination dual or tri-duty weapons that are in the same class. In general, I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you took someone with a base battledome set, and gave them a budget equal to the cost of the Grapes of Wrath, they'd be better off using the nps elsewhere and be stronger for it. That's the mindset I take to this, as if you already have 7 brilliant, top of the line, world-class battledome weapons, you really don't have places enough for your additional nps and you really don't need my opinion in the first place. Those people exist, but I suspect they're not in heavy need of any guidance that a site such as this one can provide.

Wrong. The price of a freezer will always remain constant until the marbles retire. The price of a full healer won't inflate too much in the next few years. The price of these have nowhere to go but up, unless TNT releases more of these uber weapons... which I doubt considering this one was half a decade in the making.

Even if the price of these stay the same, a couple years from now, it will be almost impossible to find a seller. Right now, if you 2 billion pure and wanted to buy a SuAP, chances are you will have a very, very tough time finding a seller even at that price.

Arguing that a full healer and a freezer is more important than this weapon is like arguing that food and water is more important than a house. The price of food and water will stay the same, but the house will appreciate over time (usually). If I had the chance of buying a 1 million dollar house for 200k but only a week to make that decision, I would FOR SURE cut down on my food/water intake for that week and purchase that house ASAP.

If you had the chance of getting the grapes, but you had to sell your healer and freezer, you should do it WITHOUT any hesitation. The freezer/healer are cheap enough that you can replace them quickly, while the grapes will soon inflate to the point you'll never afford one or find one for sale.

[Ubemaya]

i lol'd :
+stoicjohn (13) - Last updated Yesterday, 07:32 PM

Negative (-1): for saying the Grapes are worth only 300mill.

my bad for having an opinion, i was basing off the price compared to wut idb had approx the prices for suap, but i guess its outdated

@ ureadyforacold1

yeah i dont think you understood vermonthermit whos looking at full healers/freezers utility wise. food and water are essentials while a house may not be, although it'd be nice to have.

[ureadyforacold1]

(11-17-2009 12:55 AM)Ubemaya Wrote:  @ ureadyforacold1

yeah i dont think you understood vermonthermit whos looking at full healers/freezers utility wise. food and water are essentials while a house may not be, although it'd be nice to have.

Well, of course a healer and freezer are more important than the grapes in the battledome if you go purely on what it does. That's black and white, but in the real world, things aren't so black in white. Just like in real life, if you just think about the moment you're living in, you'll just screw yourself over in the long term. In terms of usefullness, the freezer/healer is better than the grapes. In terms of your battldome "career," these grapes are much more important to your set than the freezer/healer.

You'll have plenty of chances to pick up a freezer/healer in the future, the same cannot be said about the grapes. its only time before you come to the point where you'll come to a wall and SoS and PCC just won't cut it anymore, and this will come sooner than you think.

[Ubemaya]

(11-17-2009 11:03 AM)ureadyforacold1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 12:55 AM)Ubemaya Wrote:  @ ureadyforacold1

yeah i dont think you understood vermonthermit whos looking at full healers/freezers utility wise. food and water are essentials while a house may not be, although it'd be nice to have.

Well, of course a healer and freezer are more important than the grapes in the battledome if you go purely on what it does. That's black and white, but in the real world, things aren't so black in white. Just like in real life, if you just think about the moment you're living in, you'll just screw yourself over in the long term. In terms of usefullness, the freezer/healer is better than the grapes. In terms of your battldome "career," these grapes are much more important to your set than the freezer/healer.

You'll have plenty of chances to pick up a freezer/healer in the future, the same cannot be said about the grapes. its only time before you come to the point where you'll come to a wall and SoS and PCC just won't cut it anymore, and this will come sooner than you think.

very true but too bad the price has already inflated beyond the reach of most neopians ><

[ureadyforacold1]

(11-17-2009 04:38 PM)Ubemaya Wrote:  very true but too bad the price has already inflated beyond the reach of most neopians ><

and you are the voice of most neopians? why is the sword of skardsen viewed almost unanimously as one of the best weapons in neopets (especially 1-Player) by many on this site yet this isn't? People only rank this low and don't give it its due becuae they can't afford it. You will never find a $2000 Pioneer Kuro Elite 55" plasma rated less than a $100 RCA 20" tube TV by tech geeks just because the majority of the population can't afford a $2000 TV.

Don't you think there are many other people who are fighting with ylanas blasters and think that the SoS is a horrible weapon becuase for the price of it, they can get an entire complete set too? What makes you any different with your arguement?

When you rate a weapon, you should rate it on how it compares to its peers pricewise, NOT on how it fits YOUR personal financial situation. You, like the majority of the users on this site, are mid-level battlers, so you guys praise all the mid-level weapons, and don't give dues to the low lvl, VERY price efficient weapons, nor the high lvl price efficient weapons such as this.

SoS is a great weapon becuase it rules its class pricewise. This weapon is just as great if not better becuase, likewise, it rules its class (the peas) pricewise by a LARGE margin.

The final note::: BUY this weapon, then buy your healer/freezer later. Healers/Freezers will always cost the same or slightly more, if not less, but you will almost never find another 24 iconer for this cheap. You will always, ALWAYS outgrow your set sooner or later, and its much smarter to think about the future too rather than just worrying about the present. I'm not saying reach for the moon and squeeze every NP you have to get this, I'm saying if your current set is equal to or exceeds this, then sell it and get this. A year from now, you'll be glad you did. So unless you battle EVERY single day and absolutely NEED your set, sell off your set and buy this, IF you can.

[Ubemaya]

(01-25-2010 12:44 AM)ureadyforacold1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2009 04:38 PM)Ubemaya Wrote:  very true but too bad the price has already inflated beyond the reach of most neopians ><

and you are the voice of most neopians? why is the sword of skardsen viewed almost unanimously as one of the best weapons in neopets (especially 1-Player) by many on this site yet this isn't? People only rank this low and don't give it its due becuae they can't afford it. You will never find a $2000 Pioneer Kuro Elite 55" plasma rated less than a $100 RCA 20" tube TV by tech geeks just because the majority of the population can't afford a $2000 TV.

Don't you think there are many other people who are fighting with ylanas blasters and think that the SoS is a horrible weapon becuase for the price of it, they can get an entire complete set too? What makes you any different with your arguement?

When you rate a weapon, you should rate it on how it compares to its peers pricewise, NOT on how it fits YOUR personal financial situation. You, like the majority of the users on this site, are mid-level battlers, so you guys praise all the mid-level weapons, and don't give dues to the low lvl, VERY price efficient weapons, nor the high lvl price efficient weapons such as this.

SoS is a great weapon becuase it rules its class pricewise. This weapon is just as great if not better becuase, likewise, it rules its class (the peas) pricewise by a LARGE margin.

The final note::: BUY this weapon, then buy your healer/freezer later. Healers/Freezers will always cost the same or slightly more, if not less, but you will almost never find another 24 iconer for this cheap. You will always, ALWAYS outgrow your set sooner or later, and its much smarter to think about the future too rather than just worrying about the present. I'm not saying reach for the moon and squeeze every NP you have to get this, I'm saying if your current set is equal to or exceeds this, then sell it and get this. A year from now, you'll be glad you did. So unless you battle EVERY single day and absolutely NEED your set, sell off your set and buy this, IF you can.

Looking back on this and through the experience I gained, I'd have to agree with you, just that many of us don't look that far into the future because we live in the present. No clue what the price is right now tho, it was at 300 mill at one point... maybe still is.

[Shattered Rift]

(01-25-2010 12:44 AM)ureadyforacold1 Wrote:  The final note::: BUY this weapon, then buy your healer/freezer later. Healers/Freezers will always cost the same or slightly more, if not less, but you will almost never find another 24 iconer for this cheap. You will always, ALWAYS outgrow your set sooner or later, and its much smarter to think about the future too rather than just worrying about the present. I'm not saying reach for the moon and squeeze every NP you have to get this, I'm saying if your current set is equal to or exceeds this, then sell it and get this. A year from now, you'll be glad you did. So unless you battle EVERY single day and absolutely NEED your set, sell off your set and buy this, IF you can.

I'd be more cautious in your suggestion: anyone who can afford this already has a complete set, but if the value of that set is on par with this, it will include Ghosterksword, Faerie Slingshot, Thyoras Tear, or another high-end item that is only going to inflate as time goes on. It's one thing to sell off items currently in the Tower or of which dozens exist (like Ring of the Lost), but when you start selling off high-end items, they'll inflate faster than you'll earn the cash to replace them. Even going as far "down" the list as Leaded Elemental Vial, it'll still be a good while before a person could reafford it, and they'd be likely to be stuck with a 50% healer for quite some time.

The trade-off isn't always worthwhile.

[thesovereign]

I missed this thread back when it was up, but I would have to agree with the buy this if you can recommendation. Yes you will be much worse off in the short run, but like he said - you should be looking to the long term.

Right now there are a lot of people trying to sell them, and that is keeping them down. But once the grapes start to find more and more permanent homes in the accounts of people who can afford to use them (or plan on working back up to a point where they can afford to keep them and save them until then anyways) the price will start jumping 20-50mil every time one is sold probably until they hit around 1.2 - 1.5bil within 3 years.

As for other weapons like tear/lev/FSS/GSword inflating - I am not sure that the "they can only go up" line is all that true anymore, and while they may go up, they are starting to hit a point that their price is going to exceed their demand pretty quick. Look at the quest prizes. I could probably currently buy an Istaff at 190mil or a wodf at 330-350mil and these prices will probably continue to drop a bit. I can't really see GSword going higher than Istaff since its already not that much of an upgrade from PCC which is largely holding it back already. Comparing WoDF to FSS isn't that straight foreward since FSS can fill a very different niche, but in general WoDF again averages more FSS and has the light reflection and healing on top of that. While FSS obviously will probably eventually surpass WoDF in price, once it does I think it will be a while before there are enough people that are willing to pay more than a WoDF for a FSS for a while, which will greatly slow the rate that it inflates. LeV/Tear still restock and their prices are a bit funky. tear largely inflated from around 40-70mil because a single player bought a large number of them over the course of 1-2 weeks and held onto them keeping the price up.

Grapes on the other hand is a better constant than the other retired high end items at a constant 24 icons, with currently very few effective defensive options. The only weapon that I see possibly putting a cap on Grapes is WoDF - since again the average the same icons, but WoDF had light reflect + healing. However, Grapes are much more difficult to block than WoDF - So I would say that there is probably a much smaller comparison between the 2 than FSS + WoDF that grapes could easily pass the price barrier of WoDF (since it already has).

Also in case anyone was curious of prices on some of the higher end things here Grapes is probably around 500. FSS dropped from 350 to 280ish since grapes came out and GSword has been slowly inflating again from about 115 to probably 120-130mil (not as sure on the GSword price.)

[UmbreonMatt]

(01-27-2010 10:00 AM)thesovereign Wrote:  GSword has been slowly inflating again from about 115 to probably 120-130mil (not as sure on the GSword price.)

GSword is barely hovering above the 100m mark of late actually.