04-13-2005, 08:12 AM
This article was tittled "Turn System Explained!", which covers a lot of turn system explanation. From further research about reflection, I think reflection system deserves to get its own explanation. However, since reflection has a close connection with turn system, I think it would be better to merge the reflection explanation and turn system explanation.
You might have been wondering, what make you sometime go first in
battledome and some other time go second. Apparently, by clicking the
go button before your opponent, you will be the second one to move, and
by clicking the go button after your opponent, you will be the first
one to move. It explains why you are always the first person to move in
1 P battle, since they doesn't require time to click the go button (as
if they have one). However, when you're fighting a frozen opponent, no
matter when you click the go button, you're always considered to be the
first person to click the go button.
Please remember the term I'm going to use in this article : move/go
first is equal to click go button second, and move/go second is equal
to click go button first.
Still confused? OK here you go, a screenshot to help you improve your
understanding :
![[Image: turn.gif]](http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/phoenix_idb/turn.gif)
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From the screenshot above, A move first (displayed on top, before B's
move), click go button second, and B move second, click go button
first. Rod of Nova only block all dark if used by person who
click go button first. There are several weapons defence capabilities
that only work when used by clicking go button first.
What is the advantage of clicking go button first? Firstly, it has
reflection advantage. For example : A goes the for the first move, and
B goes for the second move. Both A and B use a weapon with 100 n icon
and a 50% n icon reflector. A reflects 50 icon of B's attack. While B
reflects 75 of A's attack (including what A reflected from B's attack).
Assume each icon equal to 1 damage. A will deal 75 damage to B, and B
will deal 125 damage to A.
Another screenshot example:
![[Image: turn2.gif]](http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/phoenix_idb/turn2.gif)
The pet on the left shown as second to move (click go button first). He
reflect reflected icon done by the pet on the right, thus dealing more
damage to the pet on the right.
The conclusion ? Reflection or attacks that shown as reflected icons
from B (the one that moves the second in a turn) cannot be blocked or
reflected back. Pretty handy against Thyoras Tear. <i>Note :
Some weapons that use reflected icons are Glowing Cauldron
and Bracelet of Kings
How to calculate damage for reflection? Hmm, that's a little tough, but
always remember that you have to ignore the reflected icon shown,
especially in 2 player battles, and when you click go button before
your opponent, because reflection icon always shown in percentage of
opponents attack (for example 25%, 50%, 80%, etc) if and only if you
click go button the second time (or if you want to know how the icon
get displayed, please check my article on defence system and defence
icon system). Ok then, now to the formula :
First person to click go button : Reflection percentage * opponent's
icon * opponent's strength boost multiplier * opponent's stance
multiplier
Second person to click go button : Reflected icon * opponent's stance
multiplier
or it can be written as : Reflection percentage * opponent's icon *
opponent's strength boost multiplier * opponent's stance multiplier *
opponent's stance multiplier. Hence, if you click go button second
time, it would be very advantageous if the opponent use berserk, but
would be worst if the opponent use defend or even improved defend.
What if you click go button first and manage to reflect opponent's
reflection? That's the most tricky question so far. OK, this time, what
matters are your stance and your strength boost. The reflection formula
is as following :
Opponent's reflection percentage * your reflection's percentage * your
attack icon * your strength boost multipiler * your stance multiplier.
Still confused? OK here you go, a screenshot to help you improve your
understanding :
![[Image: ref1.jpg]](http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/phoenix_idb/ref1.jpg)
r92 reflects and clicks go button second/
![[Image: ref2.jpg]](http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/phoenix_idb/ref2.jpg)
r92 reflects and clicks go button first.
![[Image: ref3.jpg]](http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/phoenix_idb/ref3.jpg)
r92's reflection is being reflected because he clicked go button
second.
Any other thing? Yes, glowing cauldron, apparently use your own
strength boost and unblockable if it used when you are the second
person to move (the first one to click go button) and it use your
opponent strength boost and blockable if it used when you are the first
person to move like in 1 P battle. What about the formula? Hmm it's
really hard question, but has pretty similiar answer and not really
same with normal reflection. Ok, here we go...
If you click go button first, you use your own strength and both you
and your opponent's stance don't matter :
Damage = Your icon * your strength boost multiplier
If you click go button second, you use opponent's strength and his
stance :
Damage = Your icon * opponent's strength boost multiplier * opponent's
stance multiplier.
What if you reflect opponent's glowing cauldron/bracelet of kings?
That's also tricky, but every questions has its answer :)
Damage = Reflection percentage * opponent's icon * your strength boost
multiplier. And don't forget to reduce the damage done to you :
Opponent's damage = (1-your reflection percentage) * opponent's icon *
your strength boost multiplier * your stance multiplier.
Confusing...? Yea, I myself also confused :P
So summary for reflection and its correlation with the turn system, if
you are :
You use Sword of Skardsen and ultra dark reflectorb against opponent
who does the same. You use defend and your opponent use berserk. Your
strength boost is 300 and the opponent has 250 strength boost. Assuming
both sos do 4 physical icons, what are the damages inflicted by both
side?
Case 1 : You click go first before the opponent
Damage inflicted by you :
1. 1st reflection :
6.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 1.5 = 73.125
2. 2nd reflection (reflect opponent's reflection) :
5.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 0.8 = 16.5
3. Sos dark attack (after subtracted) :
5.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 0.8 * 1.5 = 49.5
4. Sos physical attack :
5.5 * 4 * 0.8 * 1.5 = 26.4
Total damage : 165.525
Damage inflicted by opponent :
1. Reflection (after subtracted) :
5.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 0.8 * 0.8 = 13.2
2. Sos dark attack (after subtracted) :
6.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 1.5 * 0.8 = 58.5
3. Sos physical attack :
6.5 * 4 * 1.5 * 0.8 = 31.2
Total damage : 102.9
Case 2 : You click go button after the opponent
Damage inflicted by you :
1. Reflection (after subtracted) :
6.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 1.5 * 1.5 = 54.84
2. Sos dark attack (after subtracted) :
5.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 0.8 *1.5 = 49.5
3. Sos physical attack :
5.5 * 4 * 0.8 * 1.5 = 26.4
Total damage : 130.74
Damage inflicted by opponent :
1. 1st reflection :
5.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 0.8 = 33
2. 2nd reflection (reflect your reflection) :
6.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 1.5 = 36.5625
3. Sos dark attack (after subtracted) :
6.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 0.8 * 1.5 = 58.5
4. Sos physical attack :
6.5 * 4 * 0.8 * 1.5 = 31.2
Total damage : 159.26
(opponent does more damage)
Here a flash animation to make your understanding toward reflection
system better.
http://idb.finalhit.org/uploads/idapranu...ection.swf
http://idb.finalhit.org/uploads/idapranu...ection.swf
Petpet has effect in battledome as well. But it only has effect for the
second person that move in that turn, thats why it doesn't have effect
in 1 P battle. To see what petpet does in battledome, please visit
maximus_goatimus petpage. Currently petpet is disabled.
Equipments you use also have their own turn system. The first item you
click will be the second item that you'll use in the battle. However,
attacking items will always go first before defending items. From this
fact, I give you one tested example : A use ttear and 50% n icon
reflector. B use 2 10 n icon weapons. If A click ttear first then the
reflector, then A will deal 10 icon to B, while if A click reflector
first then ttear, A will deal nothing to B, while in both cases B deals
nothing to A. Off course it's just an example, in the real battle, you
might not use ttear but use shield or Downsize instead.
Here, I give you another example of using click combination of
Downsize! and Leaf Shield and for the ability you might want
to use species ability to attack, assume an opponent does 18 damage to
you, and leaf shield block 6 damage :
If you click leaf shield first:
18 - 9 (from downsize) - 6 (from leaf shield) = 3 damage from opponent
If you click downsize first
18 - 6 (from leaf shield) - 6 (from downsize) = 6 damage from opponent
So make sure you use your reflectors carefully and click your weapon
wisely in battling and tried to click the go button first before your
opponent does.
Mike: Edited to remove old forum code
You might have been wondering, what make you sometime go first in
battledome and some other time go second. Apparently, by clicking the
go button before your opponent, you will be the second one to move, and
by clicking the go button after your opponent, you will be the first
one to move. It explains why you are always the first person to move in
1 P battle, since they doesn't require time to click the go button (as
if they have one). However, when you're fighting a frozen opponent, no
matter when you click the go button, you're always considered to be the
first person to click the go button.
Please remember the term I'm going to use in this article : move/go
first is equal to click go button second, and move/go second is equal
to click go button first.
Still confused? OK here you go, a screenshot to help you improve your
understanding :
<From the screenshot above, A move first (displayed on top, before B's
move), click go button second, and B move second, click go button
first. Rod of Nova only block all dark if used by person who
click go button first. There are several weapons defence capabilities
that only work when used by clicking go button first.
What is the advantage of clicking go button first? Firstly, it has
reflection advantage. For example : A goes the for the first move, and
B goes for the second move. Both A and B use a weapon with 100 n icon
and a 50% n icon reflector. A reflects 50 icon of B's attack. While B
reflects 75 of A's attack (including what A reflected from B's attack).
Assume each icon equal to 1 damage. A will deal 75 damage to B, and B
will deal 125 damage to A.
Another screenshot example:
The pet on the left shown as second to move (click go button first). He
reflect reflected icon done by the pet on the right, thus dealing more
damage to the pet on the right.
The conclusion ? Reflection or attacks that shown as reflected icons
from B (the one that moves the second in a turn) cannot be blocked or
reflected back. Pretty handy against Thyoras Tear. <i>Note :
Some weapons that use reflected icons are Glowing Cauldron
and Bracelet of Kings
How to calculate damage for reflection? Hmm, that's a little tough, but
always remember that you have to ignore the reflected icon shown,
especially in 2 player battles, and when you click go button before
your opponent, because reflection icon always shown in percentage of
opponents attack (for example 25%, 50%, 80%, etc) if and only if you
click go button the second time (or if you want to know how the icon
get displayed, please check my article on defence system and defence
icon system). Ok then, now to the formula :
First person to click go button : Reflection percentage * opponent's
icon * opponent's strength boost multiplier * opponent's stance
multiplier
Second person to click go button : Reflected icon * opponent's stance
multiplier
or it can be written as : Reflection percentage * opponent's icon *
opponent's strength boost multiplier * opponent's stance multiplier *
opponent's stance multiplier. Hence, if you click go button second
time, it would be very advantageous if the opponent use berserk, but
would be worst if the opponent use defend or even improved defend.
What if you click go button first and manage to reflect opponent's
reflection? That's the most tricky question so far. OK, this time, what
matters are your stance and your strength boost. The reflection formula
is as following :
Opponent's reflection percentage * your reflection's percentage * your
attack icon * your strength boost multipiler * your stance multiplier.
Still confused? OK here you go, a screenshot to help you improve your
understanding :
r92 reflects and clicks go button second/
r92 reflects and clicks go button first.
r92's reflection is being reflected because he clicked go button
second.
Any other thing? Yes, glowing cauldron, apparently use your own
strength boost and unblockable if it used when you are the second
person to move (the first one to click go button) and it use your
opponent strength boost and blockable if it used when you are the first
person to move like in 1 P battle. What about the formula? Hmm it's
really hard question, but has pretty similiar answer and not really
same with normal reflection. Ok, here we go...
If you click go button first, you use your own strength and both you
and your opponent's stance don't matter :
Damage = Your icon * your strength boost multiplier
If you click go button second, you use opponent's strength and his
stance :
Damage = Your icon * opponent's strength boost multiplier * opponent's
stance multiplier.
What if you reflect opponent's glowing cauldron/bracelet of kings?
That's also tricky, but every questions has its answer :)
Damage = Reflection percentage * opponent's icon * your strength boost
multiplier. And don't forget to reduce the damage done to you :
Opponent's damage = (1-your reflection percentage) * opponent's icon *
your strength boost multiplier * your stance multiplier.
Confusing...? Yea, I myself also confused :P
So summary for reflection and its correlation with the turn system, if
you are :
Quote:First person to click go button : 1. Your reflection isI give you a case for example.
unblockable and can't be reflected back to you
2. You can reflect your reflected icon back to your opponent
*For normal reflection using reflectors*
3. Reflection damage : Reflection percentage * opponent's icon *
opponent's strength boost multiplier * opponent's stance multiplier
4. Reflection of opponent's reflection damage : Opponent's reflection
percentage * your reflection's percentage * your attack icon * your
strength boost multipiler * your stance multiplier. And don't forget to
decrease the opponent's reflection damage accordingly.
Opponent's reflection became : (1-your reflection percentage) *
(opponent's reflector percentage) * your attack icon * your strength
boost multiplier * (your stance multiplier)^2
*For attacking weapons that act as reflected icon such as glowing
cauldron*
5. Damage : Your icon * your strength boost multiplier
*For using reflectors against attacking weapons that act as reflected
icon such as glowing cauldron*
6. Reflection of opponent's attack which acts like reflection damage :
Reflection percentage * opponent's icon * your strength boost
multiplier. And don't forget to decrease the opponent's attack which
acts like reflection damage accordingly.
Opponent's damage became : (1-your reflection percentage) * opponent's
icon * your strength boost * your stance multiplier.
Second person to click go button
1. Your reflection is blockable and can be reflected back to you
2. You can't reflect opponent reflected icon
*For normal reflection*
3. Your reflection damage to your opponent has additional multiplier
which is opponent's stance multiplier (the formula : Reflection
percentage * opponent's icon * opponent's strength boost multiplier *
opponent's stance multiplier^2 )
*For attacking weapons that act as reflected icon such as glowing
cauldron*
4. Damage = Your icon * your opponent's strength boost multiplier *
your opponent's stance multiplier.[/b]
You use Sword of Skardsen and ultra dark reflectorb against opponent
who does the same. You use defend and your opponent use berserk. Your
strength boost is 300 and the opponent has 250 strength boost. Assuming
both sos do 4 physical icons, what are the damages inflicted by both
side?
Case 1 : You click go first before the opponent
Damage inflicted by you :
1. 1st reflection :
6.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 1.5 = 73.125
2. 2nd reflection (reflect opponent's reflection) :
5.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 0.8 = 16.5
3. Sos dark attack (after subtracted) :
5.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 0.8 * 1.5 = 49.5
4. Sos physical attack :
5.5 * 4 * 0.8 * 1.5 = 26.4
Total damage : 165.525
Damage inflicted by opponent :
1. Reflection (after subtracted) :
5.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 0.8 * 0.8 = 13.2
2. Sos dark attack (after subtracted) :
6.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 1.5 * 0.8 = 58.5
3. Sos physical attack :
6.5 * 4 * 1.5 * 0.8 = 31.2
Total damage : 102.9
Case 2 : You click go button after the opponent
Damage inflicted by you :
1. Reflection (after subtracted) :
6.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 1.5 * 1.5 = 54.84
2. Sos dark attack (after subtracted) :
5.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 0.8 *1.5 = 49.5
3. Sos physical attack :
5.5 * 4 * 0.8 * 1.5 = 26.4
Total damage : 130.74
Damage inflicted by opponent :
1. 1st reflection :
5.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 0.8 = 33
2. 2nd reflection (reflect your reflection) :
6.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 1.5 = 36.5625
3. Sos dark attack (after subtracted) :
6.5 * 0.5 * 15 * 0.8 * 1.5 = 58.5
4. Sos physical attack :
6.5 * 4 * 0.8 * 1.5 = 31.2
Total damage : 159.26
(opponent does more damage)
Here a flash animation to make your understanding toward reflection
system better.
http://idb.finalhit.org/uploads/idapranu...ection.swf
http://idb.finalhit.org/uploads/idapranu...ection.swf
Petpet has effect in battledome as well. But it only has effect for the
second person that move in that turn, thats why it doesn't have effect
in 1 P battle. To see what petpet does in battledome, please visit
maximus_goatimus petpage. Currently petpet is disabled.
Equipments you use also have their own turn system. The first item you
click will be the second item that you'll use in the battle. However,
attacking items will always go first before defending items. From this
fact, I give you one tested example : A use ttear and 50% n icon
reflector. B use 2 10 n icon weapons. If A click ttear first then the
reflector, then A will deal 10 icon to B, while if A click reflector
first then ttear, A will deal nothing to B, while in both cases B deals
nothing to A. Off course it's just an example, in the real battle, you
might not use ttear but use shield or Downsize instead.
Here, I give you another example of using click combination of
Downsize! and Leaf Shield and for the ability you might want
to use species ability to attack, assume an opponent does 18 damage to
you, and leaf shield block 6 damage :
If you click leaf shield first:
18 - 9 (from downsize) - 6 (from leaf shield) = 3 damage from opponent
If you click downsize first
18 - 6 (from leaf shield) - 6 (from downsize) = 6 damage from opponent
So make sure you use your reflectors carefully and click your weapon
wisely in battling and tried to click the go button first before your
opponent does.
Mike: Edited to remove old forum code