Does it REALLY effect the weapon more than simply making it so it does less damage than it shows?
People treat weapons simply horrible because they're fractional. Like, a weapon with no fractional icons at the same price is better than that of the fractional weapon just because of the fractionals.
Whats so bad about it? So what if it shows more than it does, it doesn't make it bad just because of that.:|
Exactly.
Basically, if you didn't understand my first post, fractionals should just be treated as a weapon of whatever it's actual damage is, or if it's near a whole number as that number.
Though there may be implications where 0.1 icons of damage may make the difference, there is a greater chance it will not.
That said, if the latter weapon is greatly cheaper and worth it for the price, it should be taken over the non-fractional weapon.
This may or may not belong in here and after you read this if you could go ahead and delete it I would appreciate it. This is mostly for Stim but I would like to see a The Great Debate 2:Icon Diversity written and maybe set as a slippery discussing whether it is actually more effective to diversify your icons (which was the belief a year ago in my time) or which seems to be the popular consencus nowadays to clump your icons together so that some will be blocked but not all of them. Its possible that neither is better then the other but I would (as well as many other forum members I believe) be interested to see an article regarding the subject typed out by you. Anyways just a thought sorry if its in the wrong spot or not a good idea.
Thx Stim
hmmm... great idea! just like the sinsis sword, it stinks :(, i don't like icon divversity... but i'll wait for the topic to open....
The sinsis sword doesn't stink, it was one of my first milestones when I could finally afford that weapon! I loved it! As for the great debate 2, I would say over use of one icon would be advantageous, but then if you've put all your eggs into one basket and then they've got a full blocker then you're up poop creek without a paddle. And surely the last word on fractionals should be that if a 5.4 icon weapon costs less than a 6 icon weapon but more than a 5 icon weapon, then what's the big fuss? It's a middle of those two's ranges weapon, end of, surely?
Actually, WCN averages 14.6 icons so it is definitely not undervalued. Assuming the step down from it, Asparachucks, costs 6.8mil and averages 0.6 less icons, a price of 7mil seems fair to me, or maybe even overpriced, because it is very easy to block. So, it is not underrated and it is not underpriced. I don't think the reason WCN dropped in price was because people freaked out because of the fractionals. So, WCN is not really a victim of the fractionals. But Florbix Blaster and Hand Painted Scarab are.
First of all, let's take a look at HPS. 4.5 icons, with hard to block air and light, with plus 2 physical and 2 water icons defence. Now, the defence is very very handy against the ultimate and also the most common 6-iconer: Scarab Ring. HPS blocks 4 out of the 6 icons of Scarab Ring. But people keep underrating it because "oh look there are fractionals! this weapon is just plain awful and scarab ring has better defence and better attack and better price and better icons and better use and better look and better scarabs"
Same thing with Florbix Blaster. DBD costs 650k, because it deals 8 full icons. Florbix Blaster only deals 7.73, and that makes DBD waaaaay better, right? No. They are almost the same. At the level you are using them, the difference of damage probably won't be more than 3.
Quote:Originally posted by augusto_salmon@Jul 22 2005, 09:36 AM
"oh look there are fractionals! this weapon is just plain awful and scarab ring has better defence and better attack and better price and better icons and better use and better look and better scarabs"
That is my favorite quote of all time... and better scarabs :rofl: ... I agree in the current market HPS is the cheapest counter to the O so Common Scarab ring which is owned by every1 and there mother...
Quote:Same thing with Florbix Blaster. DBD costs 650k, because it deals 8 full icons. Florbix Blaster only deals 7.73, and that makes DBD waaaaay better, right? No. They are almost the same. At the level you are using them, the difference of damage probably won't be more than 3.
for 1P battles it is possible to consider Sinsis Sword or Fire Hammer over the Florbix Blaster for cheaper and more icon average... but its pairing with Ramtors Spellbook makes it another undeniable favorite for my recommendations in the 2P Dome
Quote:Actually, WCN averages 14.6 icons so it is definitely not undervalued. Assuming the step down from it, Asparachucks, costs 6.8mil and averages 0.6 less icons, a price of 7mil seems fair to me, or maybe even overpriced, because it is very easy to block. So, it is not underrated and it is not underpriced. I don't think the reason WCN dropped in price was because people freaked out because of the fractionals. So, WCN is not really a victim of the fractionals. But Florbix Blaster and Hand Painted Scarab are.
However, this is another story in my opinion... I believe it is underrated and definatly not overpriced... Icon Diversity at the level of which this item can be used is extremly effective... Things like Carrotblade which is in a similiar bracket is obliterated by Ultra Dual Shovel and can even be effectively stopped by a Shovel Plus... how disapointing... can you name 1 item that can effectively stop the Werelupe Claw Necklace (first person to say something like T-Tear is getting smacked, thats not what I mean, that can effectively stop everything... although when you really look at it is 1 turn effectively stopping something??? It terms of an overall battle???)... I believe that Asparachucks is keeping the Werelupe Claw at bay in its current price bracket... but TnT should before long correct their mistake in a lack of reasonable priced physical reflection... a 75% physical reflector release would put the Asparachucks to sleep...
I agree, HPS is the biggest victim of frationals. I'm pretty sure it would have gotten a much higher rating if it shew up as 5 icons (with the same actual).
what about purple blon potion? 4.6 acual i think.... and its a bomb making it even worse :P
also i was the 1337th person to veiw this topic xP
a couple of things to note are dbd is full blocked by sink, thats not good. however the fact that the blaster does do fractionals doesnt help it. the thing is though that the blaster is only losing like 0.3 of an icon, and to be able to get some icons through sink i think its worth it
It's fully blocked by sink, what do you expect of a weapon? A weapon is either mostly blocked by sink or mostly blocked by burrow, and the few weapons that deal an equal amount of icons through burrow and sink are very vulnerable to shields and dual-duties. Being fully blocked by sink doesn't matter too much, as it's only once per battle. The abilities only really matter if a weapon is fully blocked by burrow AND sink.
But about the fractionals, if 7.8 is as good as 8, 7.6 is as good as 7.8, 7.4 is as good as 7.6 and so on. So 0 icons are as good as 8 :mellow: