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Kirby-oh Wrote:Yoshi, you're being foolish. Sorry, but it's just ridiculous to quit over something this small. If you don't like the system for GQs, I don't fault you for not playing them. But, it's just silly to quit the guild, since there are many other things we do. The most important of which is talking to each other while playing. I couldn't handle Maple without the scintillating conversation. Well, the conversation at least.

Actually, I've left the guild several times, one of the main reasons being I dislike a lot of the people in it. Frankly, our guild does nothing with each other besides GQ (which now I know I won't be a part of, seeing as a GQ can be easily completed without me)

I dont see what is the big deal in here.
Okay, let's say we go to what yoshi suggested. The potion costs will be paid (hence, no net loss from boss fighters), while all GQ participants will get some mesos.
As i understand it, whatever we make out of the GQ's will be to pay the pot costs, and whatever is left will be split to everyone else.
This is what im going to say: why someone would NOT like a system where everyone wins?

Spaz has given the only reasonable arguement about it: complexity. A problem salvageable through deliver and through community help (that we should already have). If im in a GQ i offer myself to keep track what we got and who was in it, but im not in every GQ, still i offer my help in that matter.

The point of net loss is still misunderstood, i think. For the current system (where the only prizes are obtainable at bonus) boss fighters had to rely on luck to get some profit. Now they will get profit (if there is one in the GQ) all the time. How is that net loss for them?
Everyone will get their pots paid, and afterwards, if there's money left they'll get some profit. You could even make it on weekly basis, by adding the totals of each GQ (that, again, im willing to keep track for the ones im in).
And im almost the best person to say this, i use almost no potions, but i get the same prizes at bonus as boss fighters, and i get to keep most of them but for the potion costs (which again, the idea is that they will still being paid before splitting). Fair if you want to keep missing a part of my share, but i think you'd be better if we split

All this, thinking that what the only thing this guild really has is friendship (as hatter said, we have no prestige or anything), and that's worth way more than anything else (for me at least), and it's something that will be protected by this way of calculating GQ's prizes. No more prizes stealing, no more arguements, no more drama.

Kemwek Wrote:No more prizes stealing, no more arguements, no more drama.

We've rarely had that problem before a couple days ago. And the alliance.

And like I said before, I see no reason to further complicate calculations because the old system works fine at compensation. Call me greedy, but I'd rather allow whoever finds a prize to keep the profit (after paying the tax rate for compensation).

Also, just curious, but what happens if we don't find any prizes during a single GQ under the proposed system?

Heidi Wrote:I must admit I kinda messed up a bit with that, though I didn't realise that it was Krystal's, so yeah.

Stop playing as a victim. You know since before you pick it up that it was not yours. It is sad what a couple of mesos could do with some ppl.

Kem Wrote:All this, thinking that what the only thing this guild really has is friendship (as hatter said, we have no prestige or anything), and that's worth way more than anything else (for me at least), and it's something that will be protected by this way of calculating GQ's prizes. No more prizes stealing, no more arguements, no more drama.

Friendship cant exist if people cant trust each other. Friendship cant exist if people dont even believe you or in your words. Neither if arguements show up even if there is no prize stealing, all this isnt the first time that it happens (someone could remember GIR yelling about a scroll for Cape MP that dropped from a box that he didnt even hitted).

I wont do any more GQ, by the obvious reasons that you cant do it for fun and profit at the same time, and that i am not anymore in the guild. But still, actual system fails for both run styles. I dont need to do GQs for fun, if i do a GQ on future patch, i will hope profit and for that i would try to make it in a more efficient way, with a fair prize distribution. I actually dont even need mesos, and i would have been able to pick the sack instead of Heidi, maybe all this drama show wouldnt even showed up. Yes, all this wouldnt even happened because Heidi known that the drop was not from her.

Quote:Krystal owes regelus 183,400

Keep them

Spaz Wrote:This could be made fair by making everyone in the GQ share in the loss; however that brings us back to complexity.

now that, my friend, sounds fairer still, since I think us all sharing in the profit is fair, I certainly agree us all sharing in the loss too.

I, along with Kem, would have no problem working out calculations etc. and helping out with that end of stuff.

but, as has sort of been said in this thread, the boss fighters will get the bigger say in this one, if they dont agree and pull out (GIR and Oka both said they would), GQ's cant happen without them, so I just ask them to consider an 'all share in profit, all share in loss' system, at least to try.

Either way, it would be nice for the guild (or whoever) to make the decision so things can move on

Quote:Stop playing as a victim. You know since before you pick it up that it was not yours. It is sad what a couple of mesos could do with some ppl.

Krystal, at the time said it wasn't hers.

Quote:I actually dont even need mesos, and i would have been able to pick the sack instead of Heidi, maybe all this drama show wouldnt even showed up. Yes, all this wouldnt even happened because Heidi known that the drop was not from her.

You physically saw it coming out of Krystal's box. I didn't.


Seriously... can we not move on? Or does a grudge have to be held against me for the rest of the time that I stay in TeamIDB? I gave Krystal her item. Was I not supposed to do that? Should I have just kept it? Same outcome would have occured.
How on earth do you guys think I feel about all this? Probably worse than any of you. I have basically lost my right to be welcome in the guild. Nobody else, has lost that.
I was thinking, maybe if I don't do bonus. Would anybody that wants that new system be okay with the old one again if I did that?

no, I just feel the 'new' system would be better, you in bonus or not, because, shockingly, this IS NOT about you Heidi, sometimes, people just think a different way would be better, and sometimes their decisions dont involve anything to do with you, scary, but true in this case.

Okay then. I didn't mean everybody, I just got the impression that perhaps it was regelus more than anybody else. I sort of knew that you would think differently to that

Some people are holding this against me personally. Not all, but some.

Ok, I'd be willing to give communism a try the next time we GQ if a loss would be shared and if someone other than me does the overseeing of payment and stuff.

One thing that needs to be clarified is whether someone who dc's gets a share of the profit. Clearly someone who dc's at the statue stage shouldn't, but what about someone who dc's shortly before bonus?

I'll try to summarize it; let me know if I missed anything.

For each GQ: the people who were on it, the mesos spent at the boss, and the prizes found are recorded. The prizes are all given to one person (who I'll refer to as "the banker"), preferably someone with a shop permit, to sell. If the money from selling the prizes is less than or equal to the money spent on the GQ, the difference is divided by the number of people who were on that GQ and that amount is collected from each person who was on the GQ and given to the banker, who then gives the boss fighters the amount that they spent. If the money from selling the prizes is greater than the money spent on the GQ, the banker gives the boss fighters the amount that they spent, then divides the remaining revenue from prizes by the number of people who were on the GQ and gives that amount to each person who was on the GQ.

tl;dr version:

• Instead of prizes belonging to whoever found them, they belong to everyone that did the GQ.
• All profit gets split evenly among the people who did the GQ; so does the loss if the prizes found do not cover the potions used
  

Pros

• Steady profit from GQ'ing instead of nothing, nothing, nothing, couple million, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing....
• No possibility of boss fighters losing mesos (well, at least not more than 1/6 of the potions they use).
• No disputes over who found a prize
  

Cons

• Complexity; could possibly be a deterrent from doing GQ's if it's too much work.
• No possibility of pacts between 4th jobbers to share mastery books they find. This was possible under the other system; the receiver would still have to pay the tax, but that would never be more than a couple million.
  

I don't like that since prizes belong to everyone, I'll be forced to pay for my Advanced Combo 30 book. If we end up using the communist system, I'd like there to be a provision that if someone needs a mastery book that gets found, it goes to them. (If there is more than one person that needs it, choose who gets it randomly)

Graph payed me, Krystal sent me the money, I just need to receive it tomorrow.

Spaz Wrote:I don't like that since prizes belong to everyone, I'll be forced to pay for my Advanced Combo 30 book. If we end up using the communist system, I'd like there to be a provision that if someone needs a mastery book that gets found, it goes to them. (If there is more than one person that needs it, choose who gets it randomly)

for my part, I agree to that totally, and also agree if the system was too complex and confusing after trying it, then it would be no more..

but, I honestly don't mind if not enough people wish to try the new system, I don't GQ now as I don't like the way the system works, if you guys reject the new system, I still wont GQ, you wont notice the difference as you cant miss what isn't there, lol.