If this is the way the vote's going for today, sure....
vote: joe10
Vote:joe
A case of popping up and posting a huge defence when your on the block. Yet this time around it seems a little too forced.
Vote: Joe
That was a weird defence, and I bet if we asked for your role you would claim PI.
Also Joe you and shadownight better get rehearsing for the play
I'm keeping my vote on scalibur only for the reason that 95% of the time these bandwagon votes based off inactivity lead to a harmless innocent or important innocent dieing, because newsflash everybody (sometimes important innocents stay inactive for the same reasons baddies do, to stay out of public view).
Not saying all things joe said were right or saying he isn't a baddie, I just wont put a vote on another bandwagon and then have it fail and everyone says sorry and says they didn't mean to or "he was acting like a baddie" which quite frankly makes me laugh. He did make a good point though, I'm sure immortal just means unkillable for a short length of time, in know way would this be a good game if it meant he was unkillable from now on and automatically first. So I'll take the sure baddie over the hopeful baddie anyday
but it has been what, two days since Scalibur became immortal, and I think it was protection for at least 3 days, so maybe we should go for him tomorrow? Because immortality doesn't imply one day of protection
I don't see at all how I could be seen as a bad guy from what I've said.
I have publicly criticized both ssr and SCalibur, two KNOWN baddies and yet I'm the bad guy?
You also seem to be missing my main point(s):
- ssr did not know what "innocent criminals" were
- Obviously anyone who is innocent (by this game's definition) would have known from the first day that innocents are prisons that had an unfair trial (in which the jurors were paid off).
- ssr is liar. He claims that he has no control over his power.
- What a load of BULL! What are the chances that the person who dies in place of ssr was the SAME person that attempted to take his life earlier? <5%. Yes, LESS than FIVE percent chance that that would happen. Not only did the person try to kill him earlier, the person was INNOCENT! If that doesn't set off a HUGE red flag in your mind, I don't know what should.
- Voting to execute ssr is a win-win situation!
- Now, let's say that we assume ssr is telling the truth: We would vote him off and then he would obviously use one of his bribes to save his life. According to him, that would mean a RANDOM person would be killed instead. Now, at this point, we have not done a very good job of eliminating the non-innocents, so as it stands, probably more than half of the people remaining are baddies. That means if it is random, innocents would have a pretty good shot at getting a bad guy.
- NOW, let's say that I'm right. If I'm right, ssr is a baddie liar. If so, then ssr would not have any bribes left and would be executed. Forte/Silver would then reveal he is a baddie. If he did have bribes left, look at the bullet above!
- ssr has stuck up for SCalibur on MANY occasions. If we don't force him to use any of his remaining bribes (even assuming he isn't lying), he will be able to protect SCalibur (again!) from execution when we really need it.
I guess you have to do the math in your head:
Okay, first decide what percent chance I am correct. Let's say that you think I have only a 40% chance of being right and ssr has a 60% chance of being right.
Now do (.4 * 100) + (.6 * 50) and see what that number equals.
Note: .4 comes from my 40% of being absolutely correct and the .6 comes from ssr telling the truth.
Now, the answer to the problem above is 70.
That number 70 is percent chance of getting a baddie on TONIGHT's execution.
If you think that I have a higher chance than that, go ahead and vote for me, but consider WHY you are voting for me.
- Bandwagon
- If the only reason you are voting is because there are already a lot of people voting for me - realize what you are doing. The bandwagon was STARTED by two CONFIRMED criminals - are you sure you want to follow their lead?
- Inactivity
- I am not a man of very many words. I don't post usually gibberish or spam. I only vote when it is necessary and whenever I do speak, I make it meaningful.
- From the 3rd day of voting, there were already threats. In case you don't remember, when there was the Lord_owlstar argument, people were literally THREATENING the people who didn't vote for owl. That's not very reassuring is it? So of course I wasn't going to risk my own butt by defending someone who had a clear shot at execution - someone I wasn't even sure was innocent.
- Also, you are all acting like I'm the only inactive one in the whole game... There have been other posters that have obviously not even read a few pages of the thread let alone the whole thing! Some simply just vote and don't explain their reasoning at all. You can't tell me that is better.
Also note: If we vote for SCalibur today, and ssr still has a bribe left, he will use it to protect SCalibur. Then, SCalibur will appear completely immortal and we will have accepted an unnecessary lose or 2nd place against him. I don't think we should do that, we can still win.
That means we must vote ssr tonight...!
And if I do happen to get executed tonight, just keep this in mind:
If you don't believe me now because you think I'm a baddie, promise me that when I am revealed as an innocent you will believe. You guys can still win, just don't make dumb moves - vote for people you know and don't get misled by others.
ssr first and then SCalibur. Then focus on misconceptions we've all had (maybe you haven't in your head, though,... time to reveal it!) from the near beginning/death of Cyclone. Use any abilities to their potential and try to stick together - once I'm gone, PROBABILITY WILL BE IN YOUR FAVOR!!!! NO execution will be BETTER than a "random" one!! Don't submit to another's "guess" or "random" vote - MATH FTW!
i'm sorry joe but where on earth can you bring these 'figures' into the game? 40% chance of being absolutely correct? And you are saying ssr has a 60% chance of being correct and you have 40%. Doesn't that imply we should go for YOU?
I'm sorry but that is laughable, you have no way of bringing those statistics in. You go into this completely indepth defence of yourself, and yet you don't produce your role, to even the known innocents like TOSO. So I'm finding it VERY unlikely that you are innocent, if you were a PI then you wouldn't go to such a big defence, yet you are unwilling to say what your role is!
Vote: Joe
Sorry for the lack of activeness recently, I have exams
heh, it makes me laugh reasons for justification of a bandwagon. trains, that post is garbage. A. It doesn't matter where the figures come from, it's part of the point its making, so numbers aren't a justification for voting for someone. b. Last time I checked 40 was less than 60 but that doesn't matter anyway as I'll give ssr the benifit of the doubt for now on things he's said. C. What do you expect someone who a bandwagon is forming on to say. "Well it was a nice game ohwell"? It doesn't work like that, so either you want a defense, and I thought his was very well presented, does that mean he still could be evil sure, but as a defense it was finely presented. And my game had quite a few plain innocents and most games above 25 players do have a few plain innocents so he could be telling the truth in which case he is telling you his role
So, own up to what you're really doing which is placing a bandwagon because you don't want a vote placed on you and you're just trying to premote a majority. That's what your doing, which I'm fine with, I just hate when people present that sort of carp that when they're wrong they say they were just trying to get majority. So am I defending joe, NO, but I will rip you a new one if I see a stupid reason for voting for someone. (I still remember last game people telling the DREAMER to reveal himself when toso (who was the dreamer) said Duke wasn't evil. That was just a sad moment in ww history.
joe10 Wrote:I don't see at all how I could be seen as a bad guy from what I've said.
I have publicly criticized both ssr and SCalibur, two KNOWN baddies and yet I'm the bad guy?
ssr is not a "known" baddy. Scalibur is, but he's immortal, so he could me doing any number of things ranging from trying to help the innocents get second to trying to discredit people voting on you by adding himself to thier number.
Joe10 Wrote:.
[*]ssr did not know what "innocent criminals" were
- Obviously anyone who is innocent (by this game's definition) would have known from the first day that innocents are prisons that had an unfair trial (in which the jurors were paid off).
As has been said many times before, anyone with any brains can figure that out, it was obviously sarcasm.
joe10 Wrote:[*]ssr is liar. He claims that he has no control over his power.
- What a load of BULL! What are the chances that the person who dies in place of ssr was the SAME person that attempted to take his life earlier? <5%. Yes, LESS than FIVE percent chance that that would happen. Not only did the person try to kill him earlier, the person was INNOCENT! If that doesn't set off a HUGE red flag in your mind, I don't know what should.
Being attacked by an innocent doesn't make you a baddy, the innocent could be guessing or misiformed. Also, a certain number of scoincedences with low probabilities are likely to happen, due to the fact that there are several possible low-probability coincidences... especially to the eyes of someone who is looking to to try to incriminate soneone else.
joe10 Wrote:[*]Voting to execute ssr is a win-win situation!
- Now, let's say that we assume ssr is telling the truth: We would vote him off and then he would obviously use one of his bribes to save his life. According to him, that would mean a RANDOM person would be killed instead. Now, at this point, we have not done a very good job of eliminating the non-innocents, so as it stands, probably more than half of the people remaining are baddies. That means if it is random, innocents would have a pretty good shot at getting a bad guy.
- NOW, let's say that I'm right. If I'm right, ssr is a baddie liar. If so, then ssr would not have any bribes left and would be executed. Forte/Silver would then reveal he is a baddie. If he did have bribes left, look at the bullet above!
If he has bribes left, then why not wait for baddies to attack him, instead of wasting an execution. If there are alot of baddies still out there, like you seem to think, we need to use those executions effectively.
joe10 Wrote:[*]ssr has stuck up for SCalibur on MANY occasions. If we don't force him to use any of his remaining bribes (even assuming he isn't lying), he will be able to protect SCalibur (again!) from execution when we really need it.
[/list]I guess you have to do the math in your head:
Okay, first decide what percent chance I am correct. Let's say that you think I have only a 40% chance of being right and ssr has a 60% chance of being right.
Now do (.4 * 100) + (.6 * 50) and see what that number equals.
Note: .4 comes from my 40% of being absolutely correct and the .6 comes from ssr telling the truth.
Now, the answer to the problem above is 70.
That number 70 is percent chance of getting a baddie on TONIGHT's execution.
If you think that I have a higher chance than that, go ahead and vote for me, but consider WHY you are voting for me.
Um... Those numbers seem pretty meaningless to me. First, you have no wat of proving that you "know" ssr is a baddy. If ssr could say he KNEW you were a baddy just as easily as you can say you KNOW ssr's a baddy, neither person has proof. Second, adding the odds like that: A: doesn't work, as it: 1) assumes that all of the players vote as one entity. 2) Neglects the possiblity that you're both lying. 3) Neglects the possiblitity that no majority is in place at execution time, and the randomizer does the kill. B: Doesn't tell you anythin about who to vote for. Part of me wounders if you're just trying to get people to listen to you because you're using numbers they don't understand.
Richard III
A solo rendition.
<curtain opens>
<Enter RICHARD, Duke of Gloucester, solus>
Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this son of York,
And all the clouds that loured upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths,
Our bruisèd arms hung up for monuments,
Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings,
Our dreadful marches to delightful measures.
Grim-visaged war hath smoothed his wrinkled front;
And now, instead of mounting barbèd steeds
To fright the souls of fearful adversaries,
He capers nimbly in a lady's chamber
To the lascivious pleasing of a lute.
But I, that am not shaped for sportive tricks,
Nor made to court an amorous looking glass;
I, that am rudely stamped and want love's majesty
To strut before a wanton ambling nymph;
I, that am curtailed of this fair proportion,
Cheated of feature by dissembling nature,
Deformed, unfinished, sent before my time
Into this breathing world, scarce half made up,
And that so lamely and unfashionable
That dogs bark at me as I halt by them—
Why, I, in this weak piping time of peace,
Have no delight to pass away the time,
Unless to see my shadow in the sun
And descant on mine own deformity
And therefore, since I cannot prove a lover
To entertain these fair well-spoken days,
I am determinèd to prove a villain
And hate the idle pleasures of these days.
Plots have I laid, inductions dangerous,
By drunken prophecies, libels and dreams,
To set my brother Clarence and the king
In deadly hate, the one against the other;
And if King Edward be as true and just
As I am subtle, false, and treacherous,
This day should Clarence closely be mewed up
About a prophecy which says that “G”
Of Edward's heirs the murderer shall be.
Dive, thoughts, down to my soul. Here Clarence comes.