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Here's the pet I purely labbed since Day 1 of creating it:

Lvl : 2
Str : 154
Def : 7
Mov : 112
Hp : 399 / 399

As you guys can see, the HP is really high, but the other stats such as level and defense are left in a cloud of smoke. Strength is not even halfway the HP.

So I don't know what to do at this point... should I...

1). Continue zapping without using the training schools.
2). Negg train my pet (doubt this one)
3). Codestone train while zapping my pet.

I have doubts about codestone training while labbing because since the lab usually lowers level, I think all the levels that I would be gaining from codestone training will be eaten by the lab ray.

I have 4 million in my bank by the way.

If you do 1p only just continue to lab.
If you do 2p also I'll just start a new pet.

Anyone have a training calculator?

Personally? I'd start off with a new pet. That will be too costly to fix in a desirable way due to the "new" training school since your hp is so high thus your level must be 200.

If you want to go down that road, I have this pet I could give you:
Hit Points: 59 / 56
Strength: EXCELLENT (55)
Defence: EXCELLENT (57)
Movement: EXCELLENT (55)

First, I'm gonna call Silver out as full of it on this one: don't you dare lose that pet!!

Second, I'm going to mock your pet: You call that unbalanced !!!, You're only 197 levels short of being able to codestone train, why you're a disgrace to those of us who are *real* lab rats to complain about such a paltry disparity.

Okay, now I'm going to actually attempt to be helpful, as this is a topic I'm very familiar with, my lab pet has been 300 levels or more behind for the past year, AND I also started over with a second pet, so I know how this works.

Your best option is likely "none of the above", and I'll explain in a moment, but first I want to point out that what you decide to do depends on your goals. If you want to save NP for other purposes and only dabble in the BD, just labbing without really training is fine. If you want to get to the 700 Str Boost, but you don't care about defense negg training may actually be CHEAPER that codestone training. If you want to reach 700 boosts in both Str and Def you may have to lay off the lab for a bit while you train. If your goal was to abuse the NCW leagues with a low-boost, high def pet, then you will have to start over.

Now, I'm going to just assume that your goal is just to have the best overall pet you can, for the lowest amount of NP in my recommendations.

With that in mind I recommend the following

1. Use the Swashbuckling Academy to train Level up to 40. Dubloons are a lot cheaper than codestones, and long-term lab use produces a net loss in levels.

2. Once you get to level 40, Start scratching 5 Terror Trove Scratchcards a day. They have a small chance to give levels as a prize, and on average this is a slightly cheaper method of gaining levels than spending 3 codestones for them.

3. Your immediate goal is to get to level 50, as berserk attack can be big, so you may want to use some codestones to get there during wars, but in general the average level gain from 5 Terror Troves/day will more than offset the average loss from the lab ray

4. Your long term goal is to start gaining Str and Defense to catch up to hit points.

4a. If you want to do this at the training schools it is going to take a lot of time and a pretty immense outlay of neopoints. Going this route is going to require either laying off the lab for a year or so (which I don't like) or a pretty immense outlay of NP as you train to "race" the lab before it pushes your HP up into the range where your training costs increase even further (I don't like the costs of doing this unless your income is well over 100k/day or you have 10mil+ to spend on training when you start)

4b. But if you are patient, you can do this in a cheaper, slower, more frustrating method ( just like me! ). In this case, you have to use all the alternative training methods to your advantage. Visit Coltzan's shrine every 12 hours, he does give free stats (and gave me both the 20 boost and my new 35 boost in defense this year). Visit Turmaculous as often as you can, he can give Strength points for free. Do kitchen quests: set a price cap on what you have to spend on training and pass on any that cost more than that; but until you hit the 10/day max make sure you are always doing a K-quest (or letting one expire). Make sure never to pass on faerie quests, and cross your fingers for the other random events which can raise stats. This is slow going, but far from hopeless, even with my two pets, K-Quests, F-quests, Random Events and Coltzan's Shrine have produced a net gain (after lab losses) of 30 points of defense on my lab pet since Jan 1st 2007.

If he wishes to use the training school though rather than hoping for stats from random sources, aka fixing his pet in a timely manner, to me it simply isn't feasible to train the level to 200 then go back and train strength and defence. This will take a very long time and a lot of people probably don't have your patience in doing what you did in option 4b.

However, I guess this hinges on how fast he wants to have a balanced pet and his own dedication. The methods you suggest require a set daily pattern that most people would stick with for a little while then slowly start slipping (cooties to you for doing that though). However, Jacobyts has to look at his individual situation and truly thing whether he'd put in the time to fix his pet when up until now he's just been labbing it.

Either way, good luck and my offer's still open.

I have another pet with balanced stats. Level 64 with 125 boost strength, HP at 126 and defense at 98.

I calculated who much to level 1 to 200, it will take around 3,768,000NP. I guess I'll be leaving this a lab rat while I scratch 5 terror trove scratchcards a day.

Thanks for the help guys. I'm still open for other opinions.

Well, I can't say much that hasn't been said here yet (I totally agree with rabid_schnauzer's advice); I'm an unbalanced pet owner (839 hp, 228 str, 59 def, lvl 40) and I'm happy with my pet. It works wonders in 1-p.

But as soon as I get a decent set for my lab rat, I'm gonna create a new pet for 2-p mid-level battles and leagues. Since you have a balanced pet already (the one from the last post) I don't see any problem. I'd lab ray every day the first pet, then train properly the other, so you'll have the best of two worlds.

The bad thing of that method is that it would require a lot of attention: you'd have to train, use the lab ray, scracht 5 cards, visit coltzan and turmaculus, and maybe do a couple of k-quest every day and try to keep the balanced pet, well, balanced. That's a bit demanding...

I think that you should go on zapping and train level ONLY with schools maybe or with Terror trove scards til lvl 50. So you can get faerie abilities and berserk

Just a thought. Because the HP is not 400 yet, he doesn't really have to train at the ninja, does he?

Ninja training won't be necessary until 501+ HP. There is a one codestone per course difference between 399 and 401, but it's still a ways off from red codestone territory

I didn't mean the ninja training school. I meant the training school itself in its new style. I'm a very old player, and I much preferred the old version of the training school to this version.