I'd be surprised if the BoD or WoR ever broke the 4 million mark, ever, and I mean ever (running under the assumption they'll never retire). Neither one of them is a good investment for anything other then actually using them. You won't score a lot of NP by keeping one in your SDB. The only way this would ever change is if the SoS, PCC, WCN, and UBG retired and nothing was put in the HT that could actually be considered a replacement.
If you can make more in one month then the WoR or BoD might raise in six months, then there isn't any point in bothering to keep them around. I'd be worried about a cheap 13 or 14 icon weapon entering the market at a cheaper price in all honesty.
nates1984 Wrote:I'd be surprised if the BoD or WoR ever broke the 4 million mark, ever, and I mean ever (running under the assumption they'll never retire). Neither one of them is a good investment for anything other then actually using them. You won't score a lot of NP by keeping one in your SDB. The only way this would ever change is if the SoS, PCC, WCN, and UBG retired and nothing was put in the HT that could actually be considered a replacement.
What is your reasoning for both will be hard to break the 4 mil mark? I thought it could potentially appreciate because:
1) The supply seems to be fairly limited. Just checked there were only 4 bows and one wand on the TP. And the going rate for them is already 3.4 and 3.6 mil on auction, respectively.
2) Both of them are recommended here and on other BD boards very often and seems to be the only choice of weapons in the range of 13-14 icons.
3) All weapons you mentioned above carry a price tag of 7 mil + so there is still a reasonable gap to fill
But what I don't know is how hard and likely you could get them by playing NQ II.
silverwing Wrote:nates1984 Wrote:I'd be surprised if the BoD or WoR ever broke the 4 million mark, ever, and I mean ever (running under the assumption they'll never retire). Neither one of them is a good investment for anything other then actually using them. You won't score a lot of NP by keeping one in your SDB. The only way this would ever change is if the SoS, PCC, WCN, and UBG retired and nothing was put in the HT that could actually be considered a replacement.
What is your reasoning for both will be hard to break the 4 mil mark? I thought it could potentially appreciate because:
1) The supply seems to be fairly limited. Just checked there were only 4 bows and one wand on the TP. And the going rate for them is already 3.4 and 3.6 mil on auction, respectively.
2) Both of them are recommended here and on other BD boards very often and seems to be the only choice of weapons in the range of 13-14 icons.
3) All weapons you mentioned above carry a price tag of 7 mil + so there is still a reasonable gap to fill
But what I don't know is how hard and likely you could get them by playing NQ II.
The suppy isn't "limited" in the wat retired weapon's suppies are... Yes, they may be the only 13-iconer options, BUT:
-RotL, which IS retired, (although someone who's been sitting on LDP points for over a year could still get one), has only gone up by about 20% sience 2 months after it's release, and there are NOT any new RotLs entering the economy like BoDs and WoRs are.
-Every user can get a prize from NQII Insane once. It has a 50% chance of being a BoD/ WoR.
-Not Everyone who plays NQII Insane is Into the BD.
-Most people Sell off thier BoDs/ WoRs after they've upgraded them, returning them to the economy
-3-4 million, while not a WHOLE lot to a good restocker, is now amount to scoff at. Over 90% of all people who play neopets have never had over 5 mil in the bank. (And 87% of all statistics are made up on the spot, but if anything, I think the 90% might be low)
That being said, I wouldn't be TOO surprised if it HIT 4 mil. It's unlikey, but possible. But it's not ever even coming close to TOUCHING 5 mil agai, unless it's retired or becomes an avie item.
silverwing Wrote:1) The supply seems to be fairly limited. Just checked there were only 4 bows and one wand on the TP. And the going rate for them is already 3.4 and 3.6 mil on auction, respectively.
2) Both of them are recommended here and on other BD boards very often and seems to be the only choice of weapons in the range of 13-14 icons.
3) All weapons you mentioned above carry a price tag of 7 mil + so there is still a reasonable gap to fill
But what I don't know is how hard and likely you could get them by playing NQ II.
I agree that there's room for inflation (Werelupe Claw Necklace is the only real "upgrade" from them, and it still sucks, in my opinion). I think the economy could easily handle WoR/BoD at five mil. However, I doubt it will reach that. (I doubt that they would ever break 6, short of WCN retiring).
As Obiwan said, there's an assumption that the prize chance is equal, and that it's a 50% chance of getting one, so one out of every two people that plays through Insane would get one, which will then enter the economy (either the person won't be buy one, or they'll sell it, with the latter being more probable).
However, due to the low value of the Evil weapons and the other two Insane weapons (I suppose SoA is still worth over a mil, so there's a 75% chance of getting a million plus out of it). People used to play Evil regularly, but it doesn't look like a steady source of income anymore. When I was considering doing it, it was because Scuzzys was still at 500K (a year ago: I may be remembering the price wrong) and it was still a very good chunk of change either way. Now not so much, so I'd imagine that far less people are playing through Insane than were even a year ago. As a counterargument, however, we've only seen slight inflation.
obiwanpi Wrote:-RotL, which IS retired, (although someone who's been sitting on LDP points for over a year could still get one), has only gone up by about 20% sience 2 months after it's release, and there are NOT any new RotLs entering the economy like BoDs and WoRs are.
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-3-4 million, while not a WHOLE lot to a good restocker, is now amount to scoff at. Over 90% of all people who play neopets have never had over 5 mil in the bank. (And 87% of all statistics are made up on the spot, but if anything, I think the 90% might be low)
I thought RotL was 3 mil a year ago. Am I remembering wrong?
The problem is the chance of landing a Staff, I think. Even though I never planned to play through Insane since I was bored out of my mind, the chance of it not taking 3 mil out of it is a real problem. Even the chance of not taking 1 mil out of it is an issue. Landing 350K for the time put into it right now would really hurt.
As far as the statistics (which are probably low, regardless which way you look at it), the majority of users never break a million. Most of the newbie population probably imagine that the richest user on Neo (if they can even conceive of such a thing) only has ten million.
Shattered Rift Wrote:I thought RotL was 3 mil a year ago. Am I remembering wrong?
It I don't think it ever was at 3 mil... the lowest I remeber it ever going once people really knew what it did and the original quicksales stopped was about 4 mill... I rember a month or 2 after it came out, alot of people were asking h4ks for it, which were still about 4-5 mil back then... so maybe it's gone up a bit more than 20%. I just have this recolection of it being valued around 5 mil when I stopped sitting on my points and got mine, which wasn't TOO long after the prizes were released.