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Well, I've decided I need a distant goal as far as a set is concerned, to work towards, so that I have something more specific to do with any money I earn. So I'm asking all of you what kind of set you think I should consider putting together.

First, my stats (or, future stats):

Level: 50
Hit Points: 111
Strength: 85
Defence: 85
Species: Gelert

There will be a budget of 12 million neopoints, to build a partial set with. I say partial, because there are a few necessary items that I've included outside of that budget. These MUST be in the final set, and are not included in the 12 million.

1. Gelert Healing Remedy
2. Downsize!
3. Honey Potion
4. Purple Sticky Hand

I'm looking for four more items to complete a set, on a budget of 12 million neopoints. These items can be of ANY type you would recommend: shields, constants, bombs, freezers, etc. I do prefer to battle defensively, but whether or not this becomes a defensive set is up to you all. This set should be built mainly for two player battling, specifically NCW league-based battling. (If you notice, those stats are the exact top of league 7.)

The reason I'm doing this, is because when I went to build myself a future set, there were so many different options to consider that I found it VERY hard to actually finish. This Shield? This Full blocker? A 100% freezer, or another bomb? Dual Duty or purely offensive? I've made up my own ideas, and now I want to see what other people can come up with.

Thanks, and enjoy, if you decide to take on this "challenge".

(Oh, and for anyone who knows me, I don't actually have 12 million. This is more like a "within the next year...ish" type thing.)

final_phyre Wrote:Thanks, and enjoy, if you decide to take on this "challenge".

Nicely put. Let me the first to pick up the glove, heh.

Many battlers swore by these three basic weapons: healer, freezer and abomb. You can never go wrong with having these in your set, especially at your level. So I would definitely suggest that you get yourself a 100% freezer first. H4000 Helmet is currently lingering around the price of half your budget, so no excuse not to have it included in your set. You can also opt Freezing Potion for just a little bit more, but the two water icons will not benefit much from your strength boost. It's still a nice weapon, nonetheless, so it's worth looking into.

After that you are gonna be left with just about 6 million for the other three weapons. Here is where it's gonna seem tricky but, it is actually still workable.

Ramtors Spellbook and Bow of Destiny combo is a popular combo, and with good reason. Attacking with both of them at once ensures that you get half of your attack through both burrow and sink. That little bit of fire from the BoD will help you against Ghostkershield as well. BUT you did mention that you are a defensive battler, so I would suggest that you look into a Dusty Magic Broom as an alternative to the BoD. 8 icons past sink, with 5 icons of light defence at half the price of the BoD, this is really not a bad weapon at all to combo with the RSB. Also, with you being able to save up half of what you would spend on BoD, you will have enough points to purchase teh next weapon I am about to suggest...

Mask of Coltzan. Dual duty. Solid defence with very nice anti-Ghostkershield capabilities. Just sweet.

So there you go. This will be what your final suggested set will look like:

Purple Sticky Hand - 1st slot
Downsize! - 2nd slot
H4000 Helmet or Freezing Potion
Honey Potion
Gelert Healing Remedy
Ramtors Spellbook
Dusty Magic Broom
Mask of Coltzan

Okay...

In 2-player battling, a 100% freezer is almost a must. I'd go for the H4000 Helmet since the from Freezing Potion isn't realy much for an extra 300K or so.

CadaverGrey basically said it all. I'd probably choose to go for Mask of Coltzan and Wand of Reality instead of Dusty Magic Broom, Mask of Coltzan and Ramtors Spellbook.

I'm going to lean in favor of the Freezing Potion. If it's only marginally more expensive than H4KH, the only thing likely to stop those two Water is Burrow/Sink. G-Shield won't, and the Tabard is less commonly used.

I can't recall if you were set on having a Gelert or not (6-icon species ability through Burrow is nice), but Lenny is another route, depending on the price of the MP, the Entangling Lenny Lasso, and Bag of Lenny Healing Seeds. They also have a 6-icon species ability (3 Air, 3 Light). That route might not end up being any cheaper, though.

I'm going to recommend against Purple Sticky Hand, but that's me liking reliability and consistency.

If you you end up with a combination of Wand of Reality and/or Bow of Destiny (dual-BoD being the nicest, in my opinion), I'd recommend dumping the Honey Potion. Then again, marginal damage can make a difference.


But from the defensive standpoint, Mask of Coltzan is going to deal with your Dark problems as well as be hard to block. The Earth will hit Bow of Destiny (and any Essence of Esophagor running around, if there are any). Granted, SoS will still hit solidly through a Mask (seeing only a third of its attack clipped, but knocking it to a 12-iconer will be nice).

I'm a fan of the Dusty Magic Broom as opposed to Air Faerie Crown since it blasts through Sink. Running dual would be very fun, and obliterate all signs of Light in a Light-filled world.

I wish there was a better suggestion than Ramtors Spellbook for a supplemental weapon. I'd prefer the approach of being able to blast through Burrow or Sink, so again I'm going to say that dual would be fun (and relatively cheap). Just keep in mind that the Spellbook will be taking hits at every turn (Golden Compass, Mask of Coltzan, Dusty Magic Broom, Air Faerie Crown, Ghostkershield). Staff of Righteous Fury may be an alternative, though I dislike the randomness (the Light overload will knock over same-Boost shield/dual-duties, but it would be trumped against a higher-boost wielding a G-Shield).


Mix and match as you please, given that you've only got four slots to work with at the moment. I'm going to recommend the Mask either way, given the sheer Two Player power (the SoS clippage is powerful, and getting through Ghostkershield is powerful, and as long as they're not running Wand of Reality alongside the Tabard it's probably guaranteed to clip a chunk of that weapon).

WiltChamberlain13 Wrote:CadaverGrey basically said it all.  I'd probably choose to go for Mask of Coltzan and Wand of Reality instead of Dusty Magic Broom, Mask of Coltzan and Ramtors Spellbook.

Going by that option would put his budget in a spot. After purchasing the H4000 Helmet, he would be left with less than 6 million to play with. With the MoC costing more than 3.5 mill, Wand of Reality would be out of his budget. He still need to think about his 4th weapon as well.

Shattered Rift Wrote:I wish there was a better suggestion than Ramtors Spellbook for a supplemental weapon.

I know what you mean. But the closest you can get is the Steeming Skeem Potion which will do well against pets with high intel, but its icons can't blast through Burrow completely.

There is also the Mysterious Amulet which offers less vulnerability with its fire icons, but good luck trying to find one for cheap these days...

There is of course another solution: Bow of Destiny and Air Faerie Crown combo(the former being your anti-sink, while the latter being the comparatively weaker anti-burrow, but with the advantage of an extra air). But that will take up a bulk of your budget already, and you will be missing out in Mask of Coltzan completely.

I hate to be nitpicky, cadaver, but It's Air Faerie Crown, not Air Faerie Combo.

Anyway, phyre, I'd consider the Mysterious Amulet that cadaver mentioned above for your set. There's one on the TP, and I'm going to assume the seller is going by the IDB price. If he is, than snap it up ASAP.
However, if he isn't than I'd immediatly shift to a Ring of The Lost (It surprises me that no ones mentioned that yet, as it's a full blocker with an attack and is easily inside his budget.)


The four items you mentioned are all fine and good. I'd suggest putting the H4000 Helmet in there, as I personally don't find the Freezing Potion worth it. It's 700k more for two icons. That's absurd. Sure the icon quality is wondeful, but since the H4k does the same thing for 700k less, F-Pot is a big no-no.


Now, for the final two items, I'm going to have to suggest another two dual-duties and the words Frozen Wand of Crystals along with the words Scarab Medallion are the first two words that come to my mind when I think of dual-duties. I'm not exactly sure why that is, but just trust me. They're the first.
Scarab Medallion will give you 6 Icons, and 3 air defense. Frozen Wand of Crystals will give you 7.6 Icons of bliss and 3 water defense. They're both good additions, as they cover the two icons you are defenceless against.
So, without further jabber out of my big mouth, here's your final set:
1. Gelert Healing Remedy
2. Downsize!
3. Honey Potion
4. Purple Sticky Hand
5. Mysterious Amulet OR Ring of the Lost
6. H4000 Helmet
7. Scarab Medallion
8. Frozen Wand of Crystals
Total Cost(not counting the four you already have)=8,254,999 NP.
Use the rest of that 12 Million to Train. With 3 million(which is whats left after upgrading weapons) you could train to the 200 boost IF you stopped defense training (not saying you should do that, just something to consider) and that's much more important than ever upgrading weapons. Dont believe me? Read sirhatters stickied article.That's the best piece of Battledome Literature I've ever read.
Thanks and Bye!!

This Is What I would have..

1. Gelert Healing Remedy--best healer for you currently
2. Downsize!-- all ways comes in handy
3. Honey Potion-- Bomb
4. Mask of Coltzan--your dark and earth defence
5. Air Faerie Crown-- your light defence
6. H4000 Helmet-- a must
7. Hoban's Hat-- your water defence also a good amount of offencive icons
8. Bow Of Destiny --little more strength and good icons

You might have enough NP, not quite sure.. but with that set you could block anything but air and phisical and fire

Tomato Wrote:I hate to be nitpicky, cadaver, but It's Air Faerie Crown, not Air Faerie Combo.

Edited to Air Faerie Crown combo.

ErnieRob130 Wrote:4. Mask of Coltzan--your dark and earth defence
5. Air Faerie Crown-- your light defence
6. H4000 Helmet-- a must
7. Hoban's Hat-- your water defence also a good amount of offencive icons
8. Bow Of Destiny --little more strength and good icons

You might have enough NP, not quite sure.. but with that set you could block anything but air and phisical and fire

Your weapon suggestion cost more than 15 million. That's a good 3-4 million more than what he has.

CadaverGrey Wrote:Your weapon suggestion cost more than 15 million. That's a good 3-4 million more than what he has.

He doesn't have 12 million. As he explained, it's an arbitrary goal for him to work towards (I have a moderately accurate idea about his current budget, but I don't think it's my place to comment, and I don't see much need to beyond this bit of irrelevant clarification).

Tomato Wrote:Now, for the final two items, I'm going to have to suggest another two dual-duties and the words Frozen Wand of Crystals along with the words Scarab Medallion are the first two words that come to my mind when I think of dual-duties. I'm not exactly sure why that is, but just trust me. They're the first.
Scarab Medallion will give you 6 Icons, and 3 air defense. Frozen Wand of Crystals will give you 7.6 Icons of bliss and 3 water defense. They're both good additions, as they cover the two icons you are defenceless against.

To be blunt: neither of those would be good in his set (or, possibly, in any set anymore). There isn't enough Water running around to be an issue, and even though the Frozen Wand of Crystals is running decent (four good icons out of seven), the defense isn't beneficial enough to make it worth seriously considering.

Winged Scarab (which I think Phyre either currently owns or was seriously considering) is better than Scarab Medallion. Swap the three (easily blocked) Light icons for considerable Physical defense and you have a better (and quite possibly cheaper) weapon. Problem is, neither would be good for a set in that budget.

CadaverGrey Wrote:

Shattered Rift Wrote:I wish there was a better suggestion than Ramtors Spellbook for a supplemental weapon.

I know what you mean. But the closest you can get is the Steeming Skeem Potion which will do well against pets with high intel, but its icons can't blast through Burrow completely.

There is also the Mysterious Amulet which offers less vulnerability with its fire icons, but good luck trying to find one for cheap these days...

It's suddenly occurring to me that Steaming Skeem Potion has incredibly good icon types, even though Burrow (does) and Sink (nearly) crush it.

I'm disliking the looks of Mysterious Amulet, though. Golden Compass has better icon types (even at the sacrifice of a bit of Dark defense).

Tomato Wrote:However, if he isn't than I'd immediatly shift to a Ring of The Lost (It surprises me that no ones mentioned that yet, as it's a full blocker with an attack and is easily inside his budget.)

I'm tempted to see the Mask as being better (for Two Player), and there was one other reason I didn't mention it: the price is inflating steadily, and even by the time Phyre could afford it the Ring will be more expensive than it is now.

I Did consider a Lenny for quite some time Shattered, but the bag of healing seeds seemed quite difficult to find, and it would only be minimally cheaper than going the Gelert + H4k route; besides, Maraquan Gelerts look cooler than Pirate Lennies.

I considered Ring of The Lost myself, but it is a bit expensive, being nearly one million more than the Mask of Coltzan (my number one favorite weapon ever released to the battledome.) That reason alone made me put the mask ahead in my personal selection. Also, I can't quite figure out where the suggestion of the mysterious amulet came from. It seems to me to be a fractional version of the Golden Compass, at over ten times the cost. I don't see any benefit there.

Shattered, I have an immense Dislike of Dual ANYTHING. I would much prefer to find a second alternative item that accomplishes one purpose as the original weapon, as well as doing something else. For example, A BoD alongside a DMB. Both are sink busters, but DMB has the added benefit of blocking light, while the BoD does 13 total icons, qualifying it as a main attacker.

I've never personally like the wand of reality, and I've never been able to justify to myself using it, except as a pairing with the SoS. To me personally, the BoD seems a much better weapon, as there are just as many common dual duties running around to clip the light off of it as there are to clip the earth from BoD, and the three fire on BoD is even harder to stop than 3 physical.

I like the idea of a Steaming Skeem Potion rather than a Ramtors Spellbook. Several items take out bits and pieces of light or dark, and I would think that the Spellbook would be taken apart at least partially in any fight. Only problem is that it doesn't kill burrow as well. If I let a friend Scroll Potion me too, I could also place it in my second slot and use it as an Anti-Stealer, once I've used my own sticky hand. Only problem is, 20 INT pets aren't quite as common as 10 INT. It seems it's either all or nothing with that stat; people heading towards CBT and such, or leaving it at average. I'd have to check that before the Battle. It's also 300k cheaper, which gives me the option of upgrading to freezing potion without haveing to change just about anything else in my set if I so choose.

Personally, I favor the Air Faerie Crown over the Dusty Magic Broom, especially in any set that includes the BoD, as there is already a sink buster in place there. However, the price tag on it currently is a bit much compared to the Broom, and I think based on that factor it looses out.

Keep the ideas coming, this is making me think, and eliminating a lot of things that I look back at and realize how bad they really were.

Shattered Rift Wrote:

CadaverGrey Wrote:Your weapon suggestion cost more than 15 million. That's a good 3-4 million more than what he has.

He doesn't have 12 million. As he explained, it's an arbitrary goal for him to work towards (I have a moderately accurate idea about his current budget, but I don't think it's my place to comment, and I don't see much need to beyond this bit of irrelevant clarification).

Oops... my bad. But still 3-4 million is a chore for some Neoplayers to make (myself included) so I am looking at the advantage of a cheaper option. Anyway, Hobans Hat is retired. Goodness knows how much it will cost when he eventually gets the budget he is aiming for currently.

Here is another combo that you might look into: Wand of Reality and Steaming Skeem Potion. I know that you are not in favor of the WoR, but with the introduction of the SSP, it makes quite a combo. At best scenario, it can deal up to a max of 10 air (anti-sink) and 5 dark and 5 light (anti-burrow). Also, you won't be in any danger of either being completely blocked, as both weapons deals with air, which is rarely blocked. Together with Mask of Coltzan, it makes quite a decent set for a decent budget (in fact less than the RSB+BoD combo)