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I personally enjoy lower level battling due to there being a lower chance of running into a (constant) freezing weapon. (which I dont have the funds for at the moment :\'()

Looking for some advice on my current set, I usually play 2-Player

1. Purple Sticky Hand - Stealer/1st slot counter
2. Golden Compass - Main
3. Golden Compass - Main
4. Scarab Ring - Backup Weapon
5. Shooting Star Muffin - Emergency Bomb
6. Leaf Shield - Blocker
7. Downsize! - Defence
8. Blue Scorchstone - Healer
SDB: Snowglobe Staff - 1-Player Freezer

Stats:

40 HP
35 Strength
35 Defence
Abilities: Burrow

I currently have 450k saved up, I was thinking of saving that extra 350k and getting a real bomb in Honey Potion. Any fixes and suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Honnestly, your set looks pretty good to me. Because you Do 2-player a fair bit, the re-usable honey potion IS worth getting over the 1 use muffins... assuming you have a couple hundred battles with it. For now, I'd just train and maybe save for the Honey potion. After that, Left over nps can go towards saving for a Bow Of Destiny or Wand Of Reality

I'm inclined to recommend against Purple Sticky Hand at the lower levels, as the battles aren't long enough to take full advantage of a stealer. That, and the 50% rate isn't powerful enough. A second Scarab Ring in its place might actually fare better, so long as the majority of battlers you're running against are already using one or two. On the other hand, two would suddenly balance out your Golden Compasses, which brings up the second issue.

You're running two identical weapons. If your Opponent can clip them, you're done for. Scuzzys Comb and Ramtors Spellbook are both (Light-heavy) considerations within your budget, but they would add some kick and variety to your icon types.

Assuming you're running into either of those, and odds are you're running into Golden Compasses, I'd recommend Ethereal Sword. It's built more to handle the bigger Light weapons, so it wouldn't be as useful against Golden Compass (unless more people besides you are running dual), but its attack will only be clipped by Burrow.

I'd recommend against the Honey Potion at this point. A long time ago it was the best weapon in low-end battling (and even mid-level battling), and even though it still has a place now, it doesn't fit in your set yet. It would just be one turn of heavy-Earth, and if Burrow hits it... well, whoops.

Stone Club is also being used commonly in Two Player, and only takes real hits from Burrow, Leaf Shield, and Scarab Ring.

Pike Pike doesn't seem to be seeing so much use anymore, but I'm pretty sure the only two common things hitting it would be Ethereal Sword/Sword of the Dead, and Leaf Shield.

I'd like to suggest dropping the Shooting Star Muffin from your set and replacing it with a constant, but if you're not going to, then it's just your wallet you need to worry about.


I think I forgot one or two weapons that are running around blocking things. If someone else brings them up, one or two of the weapons I listed shouldn't be considered. (I think I'm forgetting a common water-blocker, but I can't recall what it is.)

Thanks, shattered rift, your advice has been really helpful. I will switch up my Sticky Hand for another Scarab Ring. It just makes more sense- I would now have a more useful weapon at my disposal. Also, the Muffin is there for emergecy use only, I do not use it every battle. (i'm broke enough as it is!)

Dealing with the dual GC's, I set them up like that for a purpose. I've found that at the 35 boost and lower, Scarab Rings and Leaf Shields run rampant. Having the Dual GC's would give me an advantage over a Dual SR, and would also completely pass the Leaf Shield. Is there a weapon that could completely stop 6fire6wind6light?? I see Scuzzy's Comb as an inferior 2-Player weapon to GC because both Scarab Ring and Leaf Shield cuts it to a 7 iconer. I'd spend an extra 150k for 1 icon? It seems all of the other 9 iconers either aren't dual duty, or have really blockable icons.

Ethernal Sword sounds like a good suggestion, but like you said, i dont think i'll be running into too many RSB and the 5 icons for around 150k kinda bothers me :S (i'm still willing to try it out!)

You're the first to recommend i dont go with the Honey Potion as my next upgrade :P and i see what's youre saying in what if i get burrowed or leaf shielded -but how often do i get that? dont i get more in the long run with having the bomb?? i dont know

Again, thanks for the help :) I will take all suggestions into consideration

You said it yourself: Leaf Shields run rampant. I'm not familiar with the current Two Player scene beyond theory, so I'm relying off of you to tell me what you're running into. If they're that common, one could hit your Honey Potion. On the other hand, your current set discourages the use of Leaf Shield as more useless than it is.

And on that note: so long as someone is using a shield against you if it's only hitting one of your weapons, but you're still getting icons over it, then it's merely an ineffective stall tactic since you're gaining the advantage. Leaf Shield has nothing on your Golden Compasses, and if you're using one each turn by default then a Leaf Shield would be futile against you anyway, unless it's fully blocking your second weapon (and unless you want to run an Essence of Esophagor, which is really only hit by Leaf Shield and Burrow, a Leaf Shield used against you is giving you the advantage). Even if you're running a weapon that can get clipped against Leaf Shield, it all comes to how much of it is getting clipped.

Scarab Rings are currently a four versus six exchange against you (I forgot about their Dark, which is knocked by your Compasses). Given the commanlity of them, I'm going to suggest Pike Pike again. If the Light's not being blocked at your Level, that's 4.5 icons through a Leaf Shield head-on, leaving you only to worry about their other weapon. If they're naive enough to keep throwing a Leaf Shield when it's not keeping up, they'll be defeated easily.

So, as one last point on the shield note: Burrow is your real enemy against getting a Honey Potion. There's also a single-use full-Earth defender running around somewhere for 1K a pop, but I don't think it sees use. Potion of Concealment. At your level it wouldn't serve much use, though I think it would be interesting if someone tried playing one of those in their set against Honey Potion. But let's look at Leaf Shield for a moment. Against a Honey Potion, eight Earth are going to bypass it.

Good points. I'm stongly considering switching one of my GC's for a Pike Pike -but would that combo be better than dual GC's? the water gives me a better range of icons but i'm not blocking anything? (but i guess i dont have to worry about GC's fire getting blocked by a SR?? hmm)

I'm starting to think twice about purchasing a Honey Potion, but i still want to have an (with the exception of burrow) effective bomb. If I were to not get the Honey Potion, what could i use the 500k i have in pocket money on?

I never said anything about dumping a Golden Compass. Two Player sets should be versatile. I'd actually recommend dumping your Leaf Shield, since in very few circumstances are you going to come out ahead when using it. However, it would leave you vulnerable to Essence of Esophagor.

As far as a bomb goes... Honey Potion and Shooting Star Muffins are your only two options.

For spending purposes... if you're not doing Stocks, start. Otherwise... there's not really any middle-range options before the Honey Potion since you want to stay at your current Boost. Black Frost Cannon is the best freezer in your range, if you want to play the gambling game.