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Ok, so I've needed a bit of help within the past few weeks getting my new set (thx for all the help guys), but now that I have it I'm considering training. My question is: Weapons or Train?

Stats:

Lvl: 32
Hp: 64
Str: 58
Def: 55
Move: 15
Intel: Average (7-10)

Set:

Steaming Skeem Potion
Jittery Jipple Potion
Scuzzys Comb
Golden Compass
Scarab Ring
Theif Dagger
Greater Healing Scroll
Downsize!

I figure in order to get to the 85 boosts it will cost me almost 900k (that's using dubloons 8.9k ea till I'm out of the academy, then using codestones figuring they average about 4.5k ea) I have about 100k in the bank, so let's say my budget is around 1 mil.

I don't want a non 100% freezer or stealer. I do only 2 player (well, about 99% 2p, 1% 1p) Also, if I do train, I'd like to hit the 85 boosts or not train at all.

Question 1: Should I spend 1 mil on getting new/better weapons (if so, what weapons?) or on training?

Question 2: How much would it cost to get the lab and would it be worth getting? Also, where can I find some decent stats about the lab?

Question 3: Can I safely go up to the 85 boosts with my set and not get creamed every time? What if I were to fight no 100% freeze battles?

Question 4: Would it be worth training move via codestones/dubloons? (It would cost more than the prices I stated earlier)

Question 5: Would it be good to train Intelegence? If so, to what level and does anyone know the petpage with the cheaper books listed?

Question 6: Is 1 mil even enough money for me to do anything significant?

Thx for all the help guys.

Edit: Did I spell "niether" wrong in the poll? It looks funny

Question 1: Train. Your set is okay as it is for now. I'm not entirely certian as to what's being discovered about Steaming Skeem Potion and Jittery Jipple Potion, but I'll just say:
-If they can RELIABLY be made to do 11/ 10 icons respectively, leave your set as is
-If not, buy an Ice Club for a cheap backup second 9-iconer.
Otherwise, train. I don't even ever stop training while saving for weapons, but on the other hand, I don't do alot of 2-player. All I can say about The training vs. weapon debate in general is: Weapons only require an investment of nps. Training, on the other hand, requires both time AND nps. Time is not something you can just sell off items to get more of. So it would take some seriously underleveled weapons for me to tell someone to take a break from training.
Question 2: I would personally advise AGAINST the lab, because:
-It makes species weapons infeasable
-It unbalances your stats, which hurts you in the long run.
Question 3: See question 1. I'm not the best authority on 2-player battles, but I'm pretty sure you won't "get creamed every time"
Question 4: Dubloons are quicker, codestones (which really average closer to 5k) are quicker. You decide based on that.
Question 5: Cheap books... Intelligence is fun, but honnestly, you're pets intelligence isn't all that useful, except for a few rare exceptions... what matters is YOUR stratgey/ intelligence fighting. (and weapons and stats, of cours ) IF you train intelligence, my recomendation on that would be to use your favorite item database to find those. I use neoitems, I know there are acouple other out there.
Question 6:
Weapon wise: You could upgrade your offensive weapons 1 icon, and have a little bit left over. So not really.
Stat wise: You can get the 85 boost.
Other wise: You can make it grow through means like the stock market. Only issue is, this takes a while to pay off.

Since you do so much Two Player, weapons. Training matters more solely for One Player, and though there are a couple of spots in Two Player where you need to analyze your Pet's Boost, the 55 Strength Boost shouldn't be one of those two spots.

I heard somewhere recently that the current Lab cost is around 600K (maybe 650K). Hopefully that's an overestimate.

My Lab results since February second of this year: LV: -22, HP: 36, ST: 16, DF: 2, SPD: 8, GEN: 5, SPC: 3, COL: 2

How well are you doing now? I'm not familiar with the current Two Player scene, but I've heard it's getting absurd with what people are running at lower boosts.

I thought you couldn't cancel courses until Ninja Training? Or am I misunderstanding you? If you're going to train, keep in mind that time is your enemy. Whether it's worth the cost to fight that enemy head-on is up to you.

No. Until you see an item with Intelligence requirements that you want in your set, don't bother. The cost of Intelligence isn't likely to increase over time (if it does, inflation should go with it), and it can be obtained virtually immediately when you choose to get it.

Sadly, I'm inclined to say no, but I don't have enough time at the moment to run full figures/suggestions for you.

It's spelled "neither." I before E doesn't just after C.

I guess that with those nps your upgrade is debatable and would be better answer with a weapon suggestion thread.

You will get lot of hp (so it says the trend), a nice attack boost and worsen your defense boost. If you don't mind species weapons or look and you can stop when there are a disbalance, it's worth it.

I guess now the 125 boost is the more stable one. I don't care about how many losses my pet has. But if you do... get a better battle gear.

If you aren't in a hurry... dubloons will do it. If you are use codestones and use the academy when you know that you won't be there for a long period (like when sleeping time arrives)

Intelligence... is easy and at the begging cheap. I remember that playing cliff hanger gave INT points until certain number and faerie crossword sometimes do it. Also if you need a weapon that uses INT its just matter of nps not time.

First - TRAIN!!! Weapons are nice, but they're the short-term solution and throwing 1,000,000 nps into a weapon will upgrade one weapon spot, and it's not going to be enough to make people who aren't afraid of you now quake in fear. I think the lab is worth having, but you'll need to train defense along with using it, and you'll need to keep your levels up as needed, and balance out where and when needed beyond that. I'd also do Kitchen Quests as you can get ones that make economic sense. Your checking of lab map prices would be fully as accurate as mine or more, as I haven't been in the market for a lab map in several years. I don't think you'll get creamed EVERY time at the 85 boosts, but I don't think you'll win EVERY time either. I'm not sure if it would be fun if either were true anyways. I think you train by dubloons as long as you can use them and they're cheaper, and by codestones when you can't and by any and all other economic ways. The important thing is to TRAIN if you want to end up with an elite battlepet. Intellegence can be useful, but at your level you can get intellegence from playing Cliffhanger (and at least one other game), Coltzans Shrine, and cheap books. It's NOT what I'd consider a major priority at the moment though as there are few weapons that are based on it at present, and it's something you can always do later after you've covered battle training and weapons. One million is enough to do a fair amount of training and training boosts not just ONE slot, like a weapon, but the potential of all eight of your slots, as well as your species abilities and some faerie abilities. A well trained pet with a sparkshooter is more dangerous than a poorly trained one with a Bow of Destiny. There's nothing in your set or budget that indicates to me that you're going to dominate opponents with your wallet or your superior weapons. Thus, training and learning good battle skills are your best chances for success.

It's spelt "neither". "I" before "E" except after "C". =P

1. I think it is best to train while spending a bit of your cash on weapons, meaning saving up, training and getting new weapons at roughly the same time.

2. I'm not sure about the price, but I think it is worth getting for you. It adds strength and health constantly, which cuts down the amount of training you need to do in the long run, because you'll only need to train defence and level (when needed).

3. You can never really safely get to a certain boost without getting "creamed" at least once unless your pet or your opponent is a low boost with weapons such as Pirate Captains Cutlass and Ghostkerbomb, like the person I fought the other day...

4. Like raziel_03 said, if you're in a hurry, use Codestones. If not, just use Dubloons.

5. I don't really see why you want to do Intelligence, unless you're looking to use weapons like Short Sleeved Yellow Tunic, Heavy Blue Tunic or Heavy Robe of Thievery.

6. Well, with 1 million, you can just simply get a Honey Potion I guess. I'm not really that fond of the Jittery Jipple Potion or Steaming Skeem Potion until the requirement for doing 10 and 11 icons are figured out. Or maybe it's random.

I love English.....

As for the JJP and SSP, IMO (in my opinion) from what I've seen, it seems to be against pets with very low intelegence that it does the min icons. If it seems that they do their max against 75% or more of the people I verse, I'll be happy. Otherwise I'll go back to stone and ice clubs.

So, you don't think I'll get creamed every time at the 85 boosts? As long as I have a chance to beat most of the "normal" people at the 85 boosts I'm satisfied. I think I'll probably train. (there are always gunna be people with 30 times more np invested into thier set than they should have at a particular stat level)

I'd definetly opt for cheaper over faster for sure. Dubloons it is!

Intelegence seems to be fast to train and not applicable at this time, so I guess I won't worry about it.

I guess I'll go with the lab too, depending on how cheap I can get it for because it will be helpful in the long run. It seems that it will also train my hp and most of my strength for me while only making training my defense and level a little harder. It doesn't bother me that I can't use specie weapons either. I'm no where near the stats and/or budget which I need to worry about them yet and I figure that if the lab is only 600k or so, I will save atleast that much in training while I use it till I need specie weapons. I still haven't figured out how to determine what pieces are what because they are all called lab map piece or something like that (right?)

Since I'm making cash semi-slowly, I'll start some stocks again untill I build up enough for the lab.

If anyone else has any comments please post them.

Shattered: What I meant for #4 was: Should I train movement? If I do, it will cost more than 900k, because that 900k was only to get str, def, hp to 85 and lvl to 43. Also, I'm doing fairly well in 2p right now. There are a few jokers with WoR or PCC or H4K and GBomb out there, but I don't count those as normal people. I am quite happy with the way I can fight normal people.

Amen!

Since you love it so much, it's spelt "intelligence".

I would actually train level to 50 to get Berserk Attack if I were you. If I remember correctly, training to level 50 would not cost more Codestones than training at level 40, it's just that you need to pay an extra 10 levels worth of Codestones.

It's spelled a certain way. Spelt is a reference to some type of grain. And I meant to say I before E isn't just after C, but I accidentally said doesn't. Which, in hindsight, was the wrong thing to say anyway. I meant to point out that the E comes first in neither. Oops.

What is there besides Heavy Robe of Thievery right now that requires speed that's worth considering in a set? If there's something else, or if you think the Robe is worthwhile, then you should consider speed training. On the other hand, between the Lab and K-Quests (and training later), the cost could theoretically remain what it is now, depending on how late down the road you change your mind if you decide to forsake it for the time being.

Personally, I think I spent upwards of 1.5(?) mil to train my speed up 30 points (maybe less, in which case the cost would have been less), but I'm in Ninja Training. I also didn't K-Quest as much as some people probably have/do.

I think the main issue is whether any of the speed-related weapons out now that you would seriously consider, and if so, make the decision to train speed now. If there aren't, just keep an eye on the cost of training your speed up.


And by all means, use Dubloons so you don't contribute to inflation, .

This is ridiculous. Who cares about one or two spelling errors? I'm pretty sure in both cases that is pointed out, it was an honest mistake from human error. And really, spelling lessons is not something Dead_water needs right now. Weapon advice is. So that remark he made is newsflash to everyone here to lighten up with the spelling already. Sheesh...

Dead_Water, I won't add to anything that has been said here, except about your query on movement training, I think whatever that you decided on, you ought to make it quick. The cost will only get higher the longer you wait. I'd personally say that you are still in a good position to catch up on your movement. Heavy Robe of Thievery is a fine weapon if you are considering it.