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My pet has 125 str and def boost and 156 hp(planning on making that over 200 though so i think ghs is gonna be out of the question) and its currently a lenny but im thinking about morphing to kacheek for the healing and just paying for a 100% freeze,got around 20m to spend on the set.

Do not change the species. The Entangling Lenny Lasso is cheaper than the 100% freezers. You can get either Bag of Lenny Healing Seeds or Bag of Healing Dust as your healer, but I recommend Bag of Lenny Healing Seeds because it is cheaper, but rarer to find. For now, just use Greater Healing Scroll as a healer.

Purple Sticky Hand
Downsize!
Leaf Shield OR Patched Magic Hat
Entangling Lenny Lasso
Bag of Lenny Healing Seeds OR Bag of Healing Dust
Ghostkerbomb
Bow of Destiny
Wand of Reality

The above is the set I recommend for now. Upgrade the shield to Ghostkershield when you can. The Lenny weapons are about 3 million each, according to IDB. The Ghostkerbomb is about 7 million, so that would be 13 million in total. Plus the two 13-iconers comes to approximately 20 million.

I think the reason why he wanted to change his lenny to a kacheek is cos of the fact that it is hard to find that lenny healer. In fact, if you were to find one it'll probably gonna cost you. Add that to the fact that an Entangling Lenny Lasso cost around 2.5 mil... the healer and lasso pretty much gonna cost around the same prize as the H4000 Helmet alone.

In fact, the cost for spending the H4k+Kacheek Life Potion+ a kacheek morphing potion will cost slightly more than having the two lenny weapons in your set. Yes, you are gonna spend more. But not that much, so it's worth considering still. Otherwise, you will be waiting a while before you see that bag.

That would leave you about 13 mil. What other weapons do you have currently? It would really help us to know. And do you play 1-player or 2 player?

Getting a Ghostkerbomb is gonna eat up about 7.5 mil of your 13, leaving you with just 5.5 to work on. I rather leave that for later. Stick with Honey Potion for now. Get either a Bow of Destiny or a Wand of Reality. Exploit the fact that you have a balanced stats by using Mask of Coltzan. Another dual duty to consider if you play 2-player is the Air Faerie Crown (alternative would be Dusty Magic Broom).

Depending on the rest of your set ie whther or not you got a DMB, BoD, WoR or an AFC, I would then either get a Ramtors Spellbook or an Essence of Esophagor as a back up.

Now you are left with slightly more than 4 mil, I believe. You can either save that for a Ghostkerbomb or use that purchase a second 13-iconer.

Suggested set:

- Healer
- Freezer
- Bow of Destiny or Wand of Reality
- Mask of Coltzan
- Air Faerie Crown or Dusty Magic Broom
- Ramtors Spellbook or Essence of Esophagor
- Honey Potion - this slot can be replaced by a G-bomb if you decide to save for that.
- A second 13 iconer OR, if you decide to save for G-bomb, make this slot interchangeable.

If going by the set CadaverGrey mentioned, here is the analysis of the attack icons:

Bow of Destiny - *earth**earth**air**air**fire*
Wand of Reality - *light**light**air**air**physical*
Mask of Coltzan - *fire**fire**fire**fire*
Air Faerie Crown - *air**dark**light*
Dusty Magic Broom - *air**earth**earth*
Ramtors Spellbook - *light**light**dark**dark*
Essence of Esophagor - *water**water**earth**earth*

If you go with the Bow of Destiny and do (1-player and) 2-player, I suggest having Air Faerie Crown and Essence of Esophagor to go with it.  That would have less overlap of icons.

BoD + AFC + EoE = *earth**earth**earth**earth**earth**air**air**air**air**fire**dark**light**water**water*

If you pick Wand of Reality and do (1-player and) 2-player, you are more free to choose.  However, choose either Air Faerie Crown and Essence of Esophagor OR Dusty Magic Broom and Ramtors Spellbook.

WoR + AFC + EoE = *light**light**light**light**air**air**air**physical**dark**water**water**earth**earth*

WoR + DMB + RSB = *light**light**light**light**light**air**air**air**physical**earth**earth**dark**dark*

The reason of Essence of Esophagor is just as a gamble to see if your opponent uses Patched Magic Hat or Leaf Shield.  Personally, I would prefer BoD + AFC + EoE over the other two.

This is the first time I have done anything like this, so feel free to correct anything I am wrong about.

Hmm... seems like you missed out 2 air icons for Wand of Reality... unless there has a been a recent downgrade I didn't know about

Otherwise, it looks pretty!

Thanks CadaverGrey, I knew there has to be a mistake in it somewhere. It has now been fixed. Would there be a better combination?

Hrm, I"m going to take that literally, IE: you have 125 Str and Def and are training HP only to over 200. As you say Greater Healing Scroll is out of the question, you probably battle pretty competitively in 2player, if healing 20 icons worth of damage isn't even a consideration for you.

So with that in mind, I'm going to suggest a very very different course of action for you:

1. Stay a lenny for the cheap freezer.

2. get a Crisp Blue Tunic from 101-200 hp it is the best healer you can use, topping even the Jade Scorchstone, since you can get a 200 HP swing out of it. There are none on the TP now, but this likely will take up over half of your budget, plus the cost of a number of cheap books - and yet it is well worth it. Now at above 400 hp, species healers and BoHD outperform the Tunic it terms of total hit point swing, but that's a long ways off for you.

After that healer and freezer combo: that's going to leave you only around 5-8 mil for the rest of your set, that's going to leave you a little thin here, but the 100 hp drain should more than make up for it. Here're my suggestions for what else to get to leverage your balanced Str/Def:

Entagling Lenny Lasso - freezer
Crisp Blue Tunic - healer / drainer
Honey Potion - bomb
Yooyuball Keepers Chest Guard - shield, not great but not bad. likely unexpected, and you can leverage its defense with dual duties well
Air Faerie Crown - dual duty
Golden Compass (but if you can afford it, get a Mask of Coltzan here instead) - dual duty
Bzzt Blaster - offensive constant
Goo Blaster - offensive constant

Might as well have a stealer for anti-steal and to steal from your opponent. Purple Sticky Hand is your choice unless you have over 200 movement and 100 intelligence. In that case, get Heavy Robe of Thievery. It is another gamble, to see if your opponent is stupid enough to put an important weapon in their first slot.

None that I can think of. It looks good really. Thumbs up for the effort put in to post that!

It'd be even better if you factor the MoC's 8 fire icons into the equation. Also there's the defensive capabilities of of DMB/AFC and MoC to think about. But those are really minor stuff

Kudos to you. And good luck to your battling, darkshadowfire

EDIT: this reply is for Wilt

OH YEAH!  Thanks for reminding me.  Let us take a look at the defensive icons...

Air Faerie Crown - *-light**-light*
Dusty Magic Broom - *-light**-light*
Mask of Coltzan - *-darkness**-darkness**-darkness**-earth**-earth*

So as you can see, there really is not much of a difference which ones you choose, as long as you do not choose Air Faerie Crown + Dusty Magic Broom.  Let us now go back to the offensive stuff, this time with Mask of Coltzan:

BoD + AFC + EoE + MoC = *earth**earth**earth**earth**earth**air**air**air**air**fire**fire**fire**fire**fire**dark**light**water**water*

WoR + AFC + EoE + MoC = *light**light**light**light**air**air**air**physical**dark**water**water**earth**earth**fire**fire**fire**fire*

WoR + DMB + RSB + MoC = *light**light**light**light**light**air**air**air**physical**earth**earth**dark**dark**fire**fire**fire**fire*

With the BoD combination, you get 11 in total, whereas for the others, you only get 8 each.  Thanks to CadaverGrey, I now change my mind.  Go for the WoR + AFC + EoE + MoC combination because it has all the icons included.  So your new set according to CadaverGrey's plan:

- Purple Sticky Hand OR Downsize!
- Healer
- Freezer
- Honey Potion
- Mask of Coltzan
- Wand of Reality
- Air Faerie Crown
- Essence of Esophagor

For the first slot, if you cannot get a useful item from your 1-player opponent such as Giant Ghostkerchief, use Downsize!.  But if you can, use Purple Sticky Hand.

That would work really well for a 1-player scenario. However, I would consider Rabid's theory that he does 2-player:

In two player there is a slight danger with putting a stealer in the first slot, especially with the prominence of Heavy Robe of Thievery. You are giving your opponent a chance to steal from you twice, while not being able to steal anything at all, cos the robe disappears for the battle after use. This is something that one need to be aware of, though it should not discourage you from using the Purple Sticky Hand on the first slot in 2-player. It has its use and it's a matter of preference.

For me, though, I rather not use a stealer in 2-player battles unless it's a 100% guaranteed steal. Unfortunately for me, my pet's ability is too low to be using the robe, and training that stat is gonna cost me loads. So, yeah, I am at a disadvantage when it comes to stealing