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Hi guys,

Been a while since I came here. Unfortunately enough, can't be here as often anymore due to my schedule.

Anyway, just needed an opinion as to which weapon combo is good for me.

Me weapons:

Bag of Lenny Healing Seeds
Entangling Lenny Lasso
Honey Potion
Ramtors Spellbook
Commander Blade <--- Temporary weapon. This is a gallery item.

Me stats:

Level : 99
Health : 228 / 198
Strength : 173
Defence : 168
Move : 60
Intelligence : 371

Me budget:

Currently 4.7 mil with about 270k in stocks. Pushing to get 7+ mil before I start purchasing weaponry and battling again. In the meantime, I am training.

Me question:

I am looking into getting myself a Mask of Coltzan. That would be the confirmed weapon piece. I am at a dilemma though as to which combo weaponry would be a good complement to that.

It's either:

a) Wand of Reality + Dusty Magic Broom (the latter to replace my Blade)

or

b) Bow of Destiny + Air Faerie Crown (the latter to replace my Blade)

Also, I am looking for something that has a substantial amount of physical attack (about 5 icons or more) but within reasonable budget (So no Asparachucks or Golden Butter Knife suggestions please, lol ) to replace the physical attack I will loose after I replace my Blade. Or should I straightaway look into getting myself a shield? Common shields like Leaf Shield I already have in my SDB.

Need I add that I like the following icon types: light, air, fire and physical?

Oh, and I do both 1 and 2 player.

I would probably go with (b) Bow of Destiny + Air Faerie Crown but I think Wand of Reality + Bow of Destiny is your best choice. Add Downsize! and Purple Sticky Hand to your set.

WiltChamberlain13 Wrote:Add Downsize! and Purple Sticky Hand to your set.

Yup. Have those in my SDB too, heh.

WoR and BoD in one set? That's gonna leave me near zero for MoC. :/

More opinions, please.

I would suggest option b as well because BoD is an awesome anti-sink weapon and it should work well with your RSB. Also the Air Faerie Crown does more damage than the broom. I also like this combo because I think it has better icon types.

But for complementing the Mask, I would prefer the BoD because it has fire icons, which goes through the Ghostkershield.

Let me analyse this a little...

The fire of the BoD is very appealing to me. Pairing it up with the MoC, would give me 11 icons worth of fire in my attack. But problem is that I am not too fond of the AFC. I know it is slightly more powerful than the DMB, but it's not by much. The fact that, of all icons, the air is the one which is fractional and that it could completely be obliterated by Mystical White Cloak kinda put a damper on it for me.

What I like about WoR is that it has icons that falls in my fav category. Also I think DMB is good enough to get past sink; put it with a WoR/RSB combo would make it a 13-icons that attacks past burrow, which is in fact slightly more than a BoD/AFC/RSB. (Put in the situation of burrow, though, the effectiveness reverses. BoD/AFC/RSB combo deals 16 anti burrow icons as opposed to a WoR/DMB/RSB combo.)

Biggest downside with WoR is that, well I already have a RSB, which does 5 light already, and that is overkill. Of course some may argue that the only real danger of having too much of something are full blockers. Otherwise mass iconage can simply override the common defences out there.

I'm actually already inclining towards the BoD/AFC combo. Just wanted to get a second opinion, so thank you for the feedbacks so far. Although, if anyone has any other suggestions apart from the AFC, I would certainly appreciate it

So far no answers for the second part of my questions about physical weapons. Engraved Chakram is an option I am looking at. 6 icons may not be much, but it's mono-icon, so maybe as a back up weapon it could do nicely. The current price of it lingering around 80k is setting me back a little though. The other option I can think of is a Scuzzys Comb, but the light is blah if I were to have it with my RSB and (maybe) AFC.

Would love to have the opinions of the weapon masters. You know who you are, heh

The problem with getting a MoC and pairing it with BoD is both burrow but more importantly clawed shield. I'm not sure how often you meet a g-shield, but I'd think at less than 200 boosts, they'd be a bit rare. Also the icons you like might be a bit out of date. Nowadays air and water are the best icons...and potentially even earth! Only leaf shield can put up a small fight against earth and air blockers are rare, water even rare. Physical however can easily be blocked by the Winged Scarab, new chest guard and sling. Dark is probably the best icon to avoid using.

If you're intent on getting a MoC, I'd pair it up with a WoR. Sure, you may end up with too much light in your set, but I don't remember any cheap light all-blockers. In addition, you can use WoR+MoC if you need to avoid using too much light Perhaps WoR+DMB is not that good though cuz DMB goes through sink, but you don't need to go through sink too much. I'd suggest a Winged scarab. Cheap and blocks all physical. You can then save up more np for a gbomb or SoS, or w/e your heart desires^_^

Ooh... an expert advisor, heh

The reason for MoC is defence. I did put water into consideration as an icon. Problem is that there's not enough mass water weapons within my budget that can blast a substantial amount past Leaf Shield at the moment, so water will be something I would reserve instead at higher levels. Also a Clawed Shield may be the anti MoC answer but that what makes my choice for a second weapon important; something that counter the Shield AS WELL AS the second weapon my opponent might be using. Both the BoD/AFC and WoR/DMB combo, when working with an MoC, has an advantage and disadvantage in that sense.

But burrow... hmm now that's another matter. MoC/BoD will be rendered with barely any hits for one round (though there's about 13% still going through). Of course, I have RSB but it will be the same scenario with sink with MoC/RSB... well, now I'm not sure about the BoD/AFC combo anymore...

As for the Winged Scarab, I remembered having an arguement with someone about this over it's use for a defensively trained pet like me, lol. But I guess the extra slot would be a variable slot where I would interchange weapons as and when, so okay, Winged Scarab would be something I would give a try perhaps. But I am still keen on physical, though it's more as a 2nd back up icon rather than a main weapon, just to keep my opponents on my toes abit, so I am still looking for suggestions on that.

ps: calling for Cran...

I'm not really an expert adviser anymore There have been so many new items it's been difficult to keep up. Even if they block some of your water with a leaf shield, you barely do any earth/physical in your set so the person using leaf shield is wasting an item slot defending only a bit of a weapon. Shields are often only worth it if they block more than 1 whole weapon (pretty rare).

There aren't many cheap mono-physical weapons out there so perhaps MoC would just go well with RSB and BoD. You pack a good punch against everything and if you want to send in some physical you have your commander blade. The BoD+AFC combo is not bad, but you do too few icons IMO. If your opponent ends up carrying massive firepower (fire icons) you have no means of defending and you don't do enough damage to counter. You might also want to consider MoC+RoTL+WoR (no RSB). You woudl do massive light and massive fire. There aren't many full light blockers and and only clawed shield/quench could become a problem for the fire. RoTL however blocks ALL dark, and this would eliminate SoS, and weaken many other dark weaps.

Q77 Wrote:If your opponent ends up carrying massive firepower (fire icons) you have no means of defending and you don't do enough damage to counter.

That is something I have a serious problem with, I know. Maybe a mass light attack with WoR/DMB and RSB might help?

Perhaps I should even be extremely daring and go with a BoD/DMB with RSB. As for that bit of physical, Scuzzy can take over the role. Hence, mass fire (Moc and BoD), mass earth and air (BoD and DMB), and mass light (RSB and Scuzzy). Or should I just quit doming with that dumb idea?

I am seriously looking at RotL as an option. But that would leave my dark defence in MoC redundant. But it will be in my eventual set definitely, once I earn enough to get something else really good to go along with it

Hi Cadaver!
I'm Tomato and I've been here for a couple of months now, but you went on hiatus right before I joined, so we never got to meet.

Anyway, about your set.
There actually IS a weapon that will do more physical damage than the blade at a fraction of the price.
Its called Engraved Chakram. Six constant physical for 60k? I like. ^_^

Anyway, in my humble opinion, mono-iconers are better for almost all battlers. So yes, I do like the idea of getting an MoC.
However, scrap the BOD, WOR, AFC and DMB attacks, because they all are more costly than Mono-Iconers, yet with the potential to get blocked much easier.
If you want a good list of mono-iconers for your type of battling, go to my thread on Good Dual-Duty Mono-Iconed Weapons.
As to your new set:
Heavy Robe of Thievery
Mask of Coltzan
Engraved Chakram
Bag of Lenny Healing Seeds
Entangling Lenny Lasso
Honey Potion (the ONLY reason I suggest you keep this when it isn't mono-iconed is because there are no alternatives in it's price range.)
Downsize!
Zapatron 2000

That would give you the best set I've seen. It my seem like an enourmous downgrade on your curent set, however it's really not. You will still have the exact same amount of damage, except it's less easy to block.
You rattacking icon types will be:
6 Physical, 8 Fire, 13 Earth, and 6 Light.
Your Defense icon types will be:
9 Dark and 5 earth.
Anyway that is my suggested set for you. However if you decide you REEEEEEEEAAAAAALLLLLLLYYYYYYY
hate mono-iconers, I'll post a multi-iconed set tomorrow.
Good Night!

CadaverGrey Wrote:Me stats:

Level : 99
Health : 228 / 198
Strength : 173
Defence : 168
Move : 60
Intelligence : 371

Me budget:

You should make training Str and Def your #1 priority, you want to train before you get that next level it starts costing an extra codestone.

Plus the 200 boost is 150% the effectiveness of the 125 boost, nothing you can afford in weapons is going to provide that big a boost to you.

Quote:Me weapons:

Bag of Lenny Healing Seeds
Entangling Lenny Lasso
Honey Potion
Ramtors Spellbook

Currently 4.7 mil with about 270k in stocks. Pushing to get 7+ mil before I start purchasing weaponry and battling again. In the meantime, I am training.

Good. Then stick to saving and stocks, and come back when you're ready to spend. There will likely be at least one major new dual duty realeased before then (ToW Plot Prize, if it's like the past few plots for prizes) and that will affect the overall market, so any recommendations I make tonight my not hold for the time you're ready to buy.

Quote:Me question:

I am looking into getting myself a Mask of Coltzan. That would be the confirmed weapon piece. I am at a dilemma though as to which combo weaponry would be a good complement to that.

It's either:

a) Wand of Reality + Dusty Magic Broom (the latter to replace my Blade)

or

b) Bow of Destiny + Air Faerie Crown (the latter to replace my Blade)

Also, I am looking for something that has a substantial amount of physical attack (about 5 icons or more) but within reasonable budget (So no Asparachucks or Golden Butter Knife suggestions please, lol ) to replace the physical attack I will loose after I replace my Blade. Or should I straightaway look into getting myself a shield? Common shields like Leaf Shield I already have in my SDB.

Need I add that I like the following icon types: light, air, fire and physical?

Mask of Coltzan is overrated in light of the slew of cheap 9 icon weapons released in the past year. It's not a bad weapon, but it's gone from being a Great weapon to being weapon that only has strong situational tactical use.

I'd recommend Air Faerie Crown over Dusty Magic Broom, as AFC actually wins against Wand of Reality while DMB only draws in that match. And if your opponent pulls out a Mystical White Cloak, you still win, as they have negated your attack, but you've also negated them using an offensive weapon and they are left with 0.27 Icons of unused Air defense while you're still sitting on 5 unused icons of Light defense to counter the second weapons and species abilities.

As for shields, you should have all of the following cheap shields in your SDB: Leaf Shield, Patched Magic Hat Shiny Shoal Shell Shield, Earthen Scorchstone, Flaming Oven Gloves, Mystical White Cloak. You should probably also collect one or two of each of the 50% fragile reflectors for various 1p opponents and the potential of future wars (er I mean "plot-related battling"). Then when you're buying real weapons, you should *consider* whether Yooyuball Keepers Chest Guard is worth it to you. You should also look at Clawed Shield or other strong fire defense, as P-Kiln is one of the best ways to get through the MoC+AFC defense combo I'm suggesting.

As for offense, I personally think Wand of Reality goes better with AFC than Bow of Destiny does, but that's because I'm a proponent of stacking icons to overrun shields. Of course, with that in mind Dusty Magic Broom stacks well with Bow of Destiny, which in turn stacks fire with Mask of Coltzan so those three would give you decent offense with just enough flexibility. However, for any serious battler, you need to sit down and figure out how many icons each combo of your offensive constants gets through, Sink, Burrow, G-Shield, F-Tabard, and the G-Shield+Tabard Combo, as well as weapons that specifically counter your weapons (ie what should you use against Mystical White Cloak+Clawed Shield) It's a little late for me to run through all those permuations right now though.

The physical attack is easy: get either Engraved Chakram or Scuzzys Comb depending how much you want to spend and whether you value that extra physical icon better than 5 light icons.

I also partially agree with Tomato: Heavy Robe of Theivery is worth considering. But you'd have to train movement substantially to use it, so it's not a sure bet for you, just a consideration.