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Pet name: DJDoggie_One (I know, I know, Ive had it a long time!!)
Species: Currently Kau, aiming for Gelert but is a lab rat so - who knows!
Level: 4
Strength:EXCELLENT (50)
Defense:poor
Health: 220


Current set:
Lost Desert Dagger
Bronze Short Sword
Caustic Potion
Scarab Ring
Leaf Shield
Scroll of The Dark Star
Purple Sticky Hand
Greater Healing Scroll

Daily income (optional, recommended):Varies on how much I can be botherd...but on a good day - 200-300k??

Do you play mostly 1P or 2P battles?: only DoN at the moment but planning to start both

How do you train your pet: Lab believe it or not

I asked this on the Neoboards before and got suggest to get:
S-Comb
RSB
Greater Healing Scroll (Already brought it)
Downsize!
Illusens Earth Potion

and then to save up for HP

Also to train strength and defense up to 55 each...but Im not too keen on doing this whilst Im still labbing, and 50ks worth might be taken away in a single zap...Any thought on what else I should go for??


EDIT: I did this by the sticky up there - shout if ya need any more info thanks!

Nother edit: Just noticed Gelert Healing Remedy while browsing, if I do get a gelert, would that be worthwhile?

Ok wow, your pet is super lab-rat. My first suggestion would be to do kquests, try to do 10 EVERY day. Scratch TTSC EVERYDAY! you should get your level up to 110 ASAP. maybe play some deadly dice if you know the trick (if there is one). But get your level up to half your hp. Stop labbing. You're pet is really unbalanced and you need to get to 200 str if you want to become competitive. As for your set:

With 200-300k/day, that's 1 mil /week...You could easily get a HP in a week and H4k in 2 months. You said on a good-day, but it's much better to give an average, nobody really cares if you actually average 20k/day, no need to boast about profit-it just makes me mad

your future set in 4 months could/can look like:
H4k
HP
BoD
RSB
downsize!
GHS-GHR-yes the gelert healer rocks! morph to gelert for a few hundred k!
stone club-or some other sort of backup like ice club or even winged scarab.
purple sticky hand.

That shouldn't be too ahrd for someone who can make 200k/day your pet becomes the big problem after you get to the above set.

Wow - 1mil a week, Guess I kinda overestimated then...my good days are only normally once a week though at most...(by good days I meant when I can be bothered to restock ) Not sure :s Ok thanks for the tips then Thats a lot of dubloons

I'm going to agree with q77 in general, but disagree on some of the specifics.

If you ever want to train by means other than the lab, you need to start training to get your stats even right now.

However, it is a viable option to just keep labbing and never really use the training schools. You end up largely at the mercy of the lab ray and K-quests for when you reach the next str boost, and you'll never have much defense, but if you have patience and don't care about defence it's workable, if not really optimal. Just be sure to get your level up high enough to get all the meaningful Faerie Abilities at some point. (It also might be worth it to get to 50 for Berserk, but you have to maintain a level of 50 there)

If you do start training now , I agree with Q77's suggestions, save that if you do decide to stop labbing for a while you won't have to do 10 K-quests per day since you won't have to race to catch up to the lab before it puts you into 6 codestone territory. If you do stop labbing, it will be cheaper (but slower) to pass on any k-quest that costs more than about 5/4ths of the average codestone price, since K-quests have roughly a 1 in 4 chance of giving a stat you want and your top courses will cost 5 codestones currently.

However, that's all training advice, since you asked for a set for 1 million set, I'll suggest one:

At 1 million, the big question is whether to get Honey Potion or to get a Black Frost Cannon (Rainbow Frost Cannon is just about as good). However, for the moment I'm not going to include either, as you are fighting DoN first, and I think you're better off using single-use items and fragile reflectors against many of those:

Snowglobe Staff - A very frustrating freezer. But the "withdraw until you get a 1st round freeze" strategy can be key to DoN.
Greater Healing Scroll (but if you lab into a Kacheek, Elephante or Gelert, get their species healer instead)
Downsize!
Winged Scarab
Staff of Righteous Fury
Staff of Righteous Fury
Final 2 slots rotate with the DoN Opponent you're facing:
Purple Sticky Hand- if opponent has a good stealable weapon
Shooting Star Muffin - if opponent has high HP, use during a freezebomb.
Thick Smoke Bomb - if opponent hits hard, use during round 4 or later to survive while you get the win.
or a fragile 50% reflector appropriate to opponent, such as a Shovel Plus against Commander Garoo or a Double Dryer against the Giant Ghostkerchief[/idb]

You could replace either of the Staves of Righteous Fury with a
Scuzzys Comb or Ramtors Spellbook, but the last I saw, SoRF was trading cheaper, and for DoN, there's not much difference (and if there is it's in favor of the variable SoRF). Alternately you could downgrade those to Stone Club and/or Ice Club and see if that saves you enough to afford a Honey Potion

rabid_schnauzer Wrote:I'm going  to agree  with q77  in general,  but  disagree on some  of the specifics.

If you ever  want to  train  by means  other than the lab, you need to  start training to get your stats even right now.

However, it is a viable option to  just keep labbing and never really use the training schools. You end  up largely at the mercy of  the  lab ray and K-quests for when you  reach the  next str boost,  and you'll never have much defense, but  if you  have patience and don't care about defence it's workable, if not really optimal. Just be sure to get your level up high enough to get all the  meaningful Faerie Abilities at some point. (It also might be worth it to get to 50 for Berserk, but you have to maintain a level of 50 there)

If you do start training now , I agree with Q77's suggestions, save that if you do decide to stop labbing for a while you won't have to  do 10 K-quests per day since you won't have to race to catch up to the lab before it puts you into 6 codestone territory. If  you do stop labbing, it will be  cheaper  (but slower) to  pass on any k-quest that costs more than about 5/4ths of the average codestone price, since K-quests  have roughly  a 1 in 4  chance of  giving a  stat you want and your top courses  will cost  5 codestones currently.

However, that's all training advice,  since you asked  for a set for 1 million set, I'll suggest one:

At 1  million, the big  question is  whether to get Honey Potion or to get a Black Frost Cannon (Rainbow  Frost Cannon)  is just about as good. However,  for the moment I'm not going  to include either, as you are fighting DoN first, and I think you're better off using single-use items and fragile reflectors against many of those:

Snowglobe Staff - A very frustrating freezer. But the "withdraw until you get a 1st round freeze" strategy can be key to DoN.
Greater Healing  Scroll (but if you lab into a Kacheek, Elephante or Gelert, get their species healer instead)
Downsize!
Winged  Scarab
Staff of Righteous Fury
Staff of Righteous Fury
Final 2 slots rotate with the  DoN Opponent you're  facing:
Purple  Sticky Hand- if opponent  has a good stealable weapon
Shooting Star Muffin - if opponent has high HP, use during a freezebomb.
Thick Smoke Bomb - if opponent hits  hard, use during round 4 or later to survive while you get the win.
or a fragile 50% reflector appropriate to opponent, such as a Shovel Plus against  Commander Garoo or a Double  Dryer against the Giant Ghostkerchief[/idb]

You could replace either of the Staves of Righteous Fury with a
Scuzzys Comb or Ramtors Spellbook, but the last I saw, SoRF was  trading cheaper, and for DoN,  there's not much difference (and if there is it's in favor  of the variable SoRF). Alternately  you could downgrade those  to Stone Club and/or Ice Club and see  if that saves you enough to afford a Honey Potion

Ok thanks - I want to keep labbing for a bit maybe, till I at lease get a species I can bear with *pokes ugly kau* Garoo is in the dust, but I still have Ghostkerchief to go...Thanks

Isnt the difference between SoRF and Scuzzy's is the SoRF is fractional and Scuzzy's is constant? If so the favor would go to Scuzzy's.

Actually a Kau is not bad it has the best resistances

10% less damage from all icon attacks

However I must agree a species healer is better and at this point I would lean towards a Kacheek for this because once you know how the heal works you can get a 60% + heal.

Sergeant_Bud Wrote:Isnt the difference between SoRF and Scuzzy's is the SoRF is fractional and Scuzzy's is constant? If so the favor would go to Scuzzy's.

Sadly, I don't have an average for the SoRF. The middle of the range listed on IDB for the SoRF is below the icons done by Scuzzys, but I don't have data to indicate if that is an average or not. It is well worth testing.

Assuming that they are the same average, then SoRF is slightly better for DoN or other challenges where the goal is only to beat an opponent once. This is because the SoRF has a significant chance to do more damage/round in the short run. Now, of course it also has a significant chance to do less, but for DoN there is the option of withdrawing and starting over when things go poorly (or just losing and restarting the fight).

Even if the average is slightly lower, then SoRF might still be better than Scuzzys for DoN (and for fighting against 1player opponents you have otherwised maxed out against), because by withdrawing or losing the fights that go poorly, you are removing the worst instances from the sample set, leaving you concerned with only the best instances, and if you're only counting the good rounds, there's not question the SorF is better than Scuzzys.

Of course that doesn't apply for 2 player or anytime you need to win out of a limited number of fights, but it's a strong consideration for 1 player. It's the exact same logic that makes Snowglobe Staff a viable one player choice, despite the fact that it is totally useless 3/5 of the time.

Yup, rabid's right about variable vs constant icons...I'd go with variable for 1p too REgarding a good species, if you aren't lucky enough to land a species healer, you can always stick with a pteri. 40% air resistance will pwn the ghostkersword^_^

Sergeant_Bud Wrote:However I must agree a species healer is better and at this point I would lean towards a Kacheek for this because once you know how the heal works you can get a 60% + heal.

I've seen a lot of people saying this lately, and it's true in 1-player, but in 2-player (which BSE says he's going to start), it can bite you in the butt. Sirhatter had an article here a while back (I can't find it now, sigh) about how to beat the KLP and force the user to either heal at the "wrong" time or lose, so they never get the 60%+ and are stuck with the 33% heal. It's tricky to get the timing for your heal exactly right, so it's safer to stick with elephante, gelert, or one of the other 50% healers.

Ok - thanks - I was planning to have a gelert, It only might be something else if I get somethign nice from the ray...but thanks for all you advice

Sorry, thought It would make sense to use the same thread as all the previous info is on it...but I was looking at my pets today, and wondering if It might be better to use my moehog as a battle pet instead?? Its health is a lot lower, but all it's stats are pretty balenced! Wondered what people think?!?

Lab Rat:
DJDoggie_One

Species : variable!
Level : 1
Health : 0 / 225
Mood : delighted!
Hunger : not hungry
Strength : EXCELLENT (53)
Defence : average
Move : EXCELLENT (48)


Moehog:
- DJhog9 -

Species : Moehog
Level : 33

Health : 20 / 40
Strength : EXCELLENT (55)
Defence : GREAT (30)
Move : GREAT (24)
Intelligence : clever