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Let's start with my stats

cleverjohn the Spotted Kougra
Hit Points : 170 / 170
Strength : LEGENDARY (125)
Defence : AWESOME (78) (Will train to 125 soon)
Movement : AMAZING (90)

As you can see, I'm in mid-level battling


My set

Greater Healing Scroll (No doubt)
Downsize! (No doubt)
Black Frost Cannon (No doubt)
Ramtors Spellbook (No doubt)
Golden Compass (No doubt)
Honey Potion (No doubt)

Now I only have 2 rooms left which I plan to put 1 dual-duties weapons and 1 shield or 2 shields. How to decide?

Dual-duties in my mind:
Amulet of Inevitable Betrayal
Frozen Wand of Crystals
Cloudy Wand of Storms

Or others? (Must be <200k)

Shields in my mind:
Earthen Scorchstone
Leaf Shield
Patched Magic Hat
Virtupets X-514 Super Shield

Or others? (Must be <200k)

Thanks a lot! Smile
Since your defense would be the same as your attack, I suggest the Frozen Wand of Crystals (compliments the Compass very nicely) and the Amulet of Inevitable Betrayal (defends light, wich is very common)
Okay now I have questions again :

1. Is it advised to have 3 dual duties (Reliable defence) and 1 pure attacker (For bombing after freezing) ? Or should I get rid of the only pure attacker to change it to 4 dual duties?

2. Is it advised to have 1 shield at least? Or 2 shields?

3. Since I play defensively , should I kick BFC off? (If I can have 100% freezer , I'll equip of course......)

Thanks! Please take time to reply , I hope I can acquire good recommandation here Big Grin
1. When you train your defence up to 125 or equal to your strength, it is recommended to have dual-duties. An ideal set is probably a stealer, a freezer, a healer, a bomb, two shields and two main attackers. But the stealer might be useless in some battles and you would replace with another main attacker. But since your strength is equal to your defence, it is probably suggested by other members to change the three main attackers to three dual-duties. I personally prefer main attackers since they do more icons.

2. It's advised to have two shields, but one at least. One shield would be Downsize! and the other is at your choice. You would probably want to choose it according to the types of icons your opponent uses.

3. A freezer is recommended in every set, though I don't use one myself. The freeze and bomb tactic is suggested against any opponent because the bomb will have more icons.
Thanks Chamberlain (British Pride Minster?Smile)

Now it's the structure of the set

Greater Healing Scroll (Will morph into Kacheek to use KLP during war)
Downsize!
Black Frost Cannon
Honey Potion
Golden Compass
(Dual-duty)
(Dual-duty)
(Shield -> not downsize! , I have already)

Sometimes I'll replace a dual-duty with stealer if needed.

What's the advised dual-duties and shield? (It's very , very hard to choose !!!) Thanks a lot again!Smile
WiltChamberlain13 = Wilt Chamberlain who wore the number 13 jersey while playing in the NBA for all 4 teams he played for. Scored 100 points on March 2nd 1962 which is the record for highest amount of points in a single game. I can go on forever but you don't want to know.

The Ramtors Spellbook can be useful if you want to do more icons in a turn. So I'd use one space for it. The other dual-duty, use Frozen Wand of Crystals and Patched Magic Hat for the shield. That way, you have 4/6 icons covered. Other members may have better suggestions to block all icons, but I'm busy doing homework at the moment so yeah... You get the idea of me doing homework and not really bothered to look up so much and it's late where I live. I'll look for better combinations tomorrow.
Well, if you are battling 2 player, I would suggest taking out the Frost Cannon. You would be better off having another weapon. As for a shield, I know everyone recommends one in each set, but I see no use for one. A dual duity is better than a shield (IMO) so I'd rather have a dual duity. And I don't see a problem with having all dual duities, or all except one which is a pure attacker. Remember, there aren't rules which you have to follow when making your set. Don't be afraid to think outside of the box. In two player, that may just throw your opponents enough to win. In one player, it may get you a lucky win (plus the fact that unless you take screenies no one will critize you for a strange set)

SO, if I were you, I would take the set you have now, take out the Black Frost Cannon (but put in your SDB for 1p battles) and put in the three dual duities you mentioned. (You can then take out whatever weapon you want depending on the opponent and switch it for the BFC when you do 1p battles) I would leave the RSB in your set though, because if your opponent is using (as an example) a Kiln (11 fire) and a Fiery Sun Scroll (6 fire), then you are loosing out if you use your best dual duities (compass+wand of crystals) because none of your dual duities can defend against fire and your total icons are 16.6 compaired to their 17. BUT: if you were to have your RSB in your set, then you could use Compass + RSB and crush them by 2 icons (19 vs 17) I guess what I'm trying to say, is when in doubt, you won't loose if you use a 10 icon pure attacker against a 10 icon pure attacker. You just won't make any ground. Now if you can defend those icons with a dual duity that will make it so you are doing more icons, then great. But I'd have that RSB in there incase you came up against something weird or unblockable or if you needed to get a draw.
Thanks you Smile Now it's the set.

1p

Greater Healing Scroll (Will morph into Kacheek to use KLP during war)
Downsize!
Black Frost Cannon
Honey Potion
Golden Compass
Frozen Wand of Crystals
Ramtors Spellbook
Patched Magic Hat / Leaf shield / Purple Sticky Hand (Choose according to situation)

2p

Greater Healing Scroll (Will morph into Kacheek to use KLP during war)
Downsize!
Honey Potion (Give him sudden attack!)
Golden Compass
Frozen Wand of Crystals
Amulet of Inevitable Betrayal
Ramtors Spellbook
Patched Magic Hat / Leaf shield / Purple Sticky Hand (Choose according to situation)

Problem come again:

If I use Frozen Wand of Crystals + Amulet of Inevitable Betrayal , it's overlapped by the light def of Patched Magic Hat

If I use Cloudy Wand of Storms , it'll be overlapped by Both Leaf shield and PMH.

If I use Frozen Wand of Crystals , it's overlapped by the water def of Leaf shield

So I think a shield is not really necessary because it's overlapped. So , should I cancel out the shield to make it 4 dual duties?

Moreover , Amulet of Inevitable Betrayal only does 10 icons max which is same as RSB (7 atk 3 def ) so is it not worth it?

I'm hoping for more advice......
Nightwind's thread is full of advice but this thread ...Sad
For 2 player, I would change Frozen Wand of Crystals into Scroll of Freezing to freeze and bomb your opponent. Reason being is that if your opponent uses Burrow when you use Honey Potion, you won't do much damage.
WiltChamberlain13 Wrote:For 2 player, I would change Frozen Wand of Crystals into Scroll of Freezing to freeze and bomb your opponent. Reason being is that if your opponent uses Burrow when you use Honey Potion, you won't do much damage.

I don't want to replace the weapons (The value will soon add up Sad)
Scroll of Freezing is expensive and fragile... bad combination

That's what I was trying to say, I'd rather have those dual duities than a shield.

The Amulet has it's advantages and dis-advantages. It comes out even against a RSB/Comb/SoRF (7 vs 7) BUT, you can always match brute force with brute force. Aka RSB vs RSB. But the Amulet will give you different icons and you won't take as much damage. But if you don't have the Amulet in your set you have room for something else.... but then again, what would you put in there? Nothing really. And if you had the money I might just suggest getting another RSB to put in the slot instead of the Amulet..... But you don't have the money. If you think about it, versus the NQ2 evil weapons, the Amulet is like a 100k 10 iconer. If it was me, I'd keep it in my set (actually it is in my set, and is very useful to me) But I'm not you.....

Another thing to mention, I have yet to steal junk with my Purple Sticky Hand (in two player that is) It seems everyone sticks their favorite/most useful weapon in the first slot. Heh, I even stole an ECA and beat a noobinator using his own ECA against him. Most of the time, your opponet will try to steal their weapon back, sacrificing the use of 1 weapon (hopefully for several moves) to you. I just use the PSH on the first move along with a weapon of diverse icons and a specie ablity that does different icons so I can get a feel for what icons my opponent is defending. And if I steal, GREAT! But if not, it's ok and I usually don't try to steal again unless I know I'll loose if I don't (like in the case of the ECA) I usually don't use my opponent's weapon though (unless it's really good like the ECA), because if you're opponent is smart, they will try and defend against it.

And I thought I was gunna make a short post.....
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